Crashing at random?

dublish · Oct 20, 2014

My game has been crashing, seemingly at random. I've had it crash after 2 hours or after 20 seconds, and I can't figure out if what I'm doing in-game has any effect on causing it to crash. I'm playing with v1.7.3, checksum 7d7e.

I've seen a lot of crashed attributed to the 'ancient heir bug'. What is that?

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System Information
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Time of this report: 10/19/2014, 17:00:17
       Machine name: DUBLISHDEVILPC
   Operating System: Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit (6.1, Build 7601) Service Pack 1 (7601.win7sp1_gdr.130318-1533)
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DarkSwordmaster · Oct 20, 2014

It's been crashing in our MP games, but also his SP games with a BSOD. I don't think it's the ancient heir thing since it's in ALL games, not just a certain case.

AndrewT · Oct 20, 2014

dublish said:
I've seen a lot of crashed attributed to the 'ancient heir bug'. What is that?

If a nation disappears or is absorbed, and has a living heir, that heir is not removed from the save file. If that nation then reappears for any reason the heir is still alive and very old. At some point after that the game is likely to crash.

It is fixed in 1.8, due out with the new Art or War DLC later this month.

dublish · Oct 20, 2014

AndrewT said:
If a nation disappears or is absorbed, and has a living heir, that heir is not removed from the save file. If that nation then reappears for any reason the heir is still alive and very old. At some point after that the game is likely to crash.

It is fixed in 1.8, due out with the new Art or War DLC later this month.

In multiplayer, would that affect both the host and myself?

AndrewT · Oct 20, 2014

dublish said:
In multiplayer, would that affect both the host and myself?

I would expect it to affect the host, certainly. Not sure about other players, I haven't seen anyone comment either way (and I don't play MP myself).

dublish · Oct 25, 2014

AndrewT said:
I would expect it to affect the host, certainly. Not sure about other players, I haven't seen anyone comment either way (and I don't play MP myself).

This only affects the host when I'm the host. It affects me client-side as well, and in single player. I've reinstalled and it still crashes at random intervals. Is there some way to generate a crashort log for you to see?

AndrewT · Oct 29, 2014

Given that 1.8 is out in a day or two, and there are numerous crash fixes in it, let's see how you go after that. OK?

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