Courtenay to Kourtenai

[Drachenfire]

Heys,

Im trying a few games starting in 1220 as Robert de Courtaney, Emperor of the Latin Byzantine Empire, but I want to play him as a Philhellenic…. Someone who admires the Hellenic Greek culture he has come to rule. I know there is a way to change the culture of a character through event, but I do not know how…. Well I did achieve this one time in one game so that’s how I know… but wasn’t looking to do it at the time… it just happened. Once he becomes Greek then I plan on changing the dynasty name to Kourtenai … the Greek variant of the name. (I detached Robert from the main branch of the Courtenay's and attached him to a 'new dynasty' Courtenay, so that while in game I can change his name to Kourtenai without changing the rest of the dynasty name. He also had a death date I edited out because he always dies many times before even producing an heir) Under the Hellenized Kourtenai dynasty I plan to reunite the Byzantine empire.


Does anyone have any advice on how I can recreate that event where Robert chose to become Greek?

 

[raistlin_wizard]

You can "convert" to the culture your capital has. I'm not sure if you need a DLC for it or not.

 

[Drachenfire]

Raja's of India allows the conversion through event. Hummm.... I dont have that one yet. Well, outside of that DLC what is the chain of event?

 

[Drachenfire]

In the CK2 wiki it says this... conversion by education ... " if the guardian owns land " he has a good chance of effecting the culture of the child, but what does "own land" mean in this context... can own land mean a barony in my capital of Constantinople?

 

[raistlin_wizard]

In the CK2 wiki it says this... conversion by education ... " if the guardian owns land " he has a good chance of effecting the culture of the child, but what does "own land" mean in this context... can own land mean a barony in my capital of Constantinople?

Be landed. It means you can't just invite someone to your court (loke you used to) you have to have your child educated by someone landed (or someone in his court of the same culture).

 

[Drachenfire]

but in this case, can 'be landed' mean a barony in the capital? (so that I can continue to get event messages)

 

[raistlin_wizard]

I think so, yeah. If you have Way of Life you and you select Heritage you can see which culture he's being converted to.

 

[Evangeline]

Usually, you can just right-click on your portrait and select to convert to the culture of your capital province. This feature requires Rajas of India.

 

[manager2525]

If you have Way of life you can invite a Greek character, make him educate your heir and set education of your heir to heritage. Your heir will probably adopt the religion and culture of his gardian.

 

[BuddyLove]

But as the owner of the Latin Empire with Constantinople, you can right click and "convert to local culture" which should still be Greek.

 

[Rags17]

How do you feel about mods ?

I have created a custom mod that I play with that gives random chance to change culture if taking the scholarship focus and change religion if taking the Theology focus. I added a few new cultures too and each time the event fires it looks at your current culture and religion so it is possible to work backwards from Catholicism or Sunni to early Christianity or Karajite and thence back to Hellenic or generic Pagan, among many others.

PM if interested.

 

[Duckett]

Somone on this forum once made a brilliant mod for this which unfortunately got lost during one of the forum clean-ups.

It really should be much more likely for the aristocracy to start practing language/customs similar to their subjects, than for aristocracy to magically convince thousands of people to change their practices.

I hope for the third game culture becomes something more hands-off and uncontrollable. Or maybe influenced by trade routes and economic influence or something.

 

[PAnZuRiEL]

Im trying a few games starting in 1220 as Robert de Courtaney, Emperor of the Latin Byzantine Empire, but I want to play him as a Philhellenic…. Someone who admires the Hellenic Greek culture he has come to rule. [...] Under the Hellenized Kourtenai dynasty I plan to reunite the Byzantine empire.

Changing culture is easy. But unfortunately, reforming the Byzantine Empire as the emperor of the Latin Empire isn't possible. To create the Byzantine Empire normally, the Latin Empire (and/or Roman Empire) must not be held by anyone; and the decision to "Restore the Byzantine Empire" isn't available to the holder of the Latin Empire. You'll have to find some way to shed that title first, unless you're playing with mods, as...

He also had a death date I edited out because he always dies many times before even producing an heir

...suggests you are. But also, this modification is quite useless. The death date is only for the history files, it does absolutely nothing once you start up the game.

 

[Drachenfire]

Thanks everyone for the responses... turns out all I needed was a Greek guardian assigned... he didnt even have to be landed. So now Robert de Courtenay will be succeeded by his thoroughly hellenized son Michael Kourtenai .... and I can go to war with the Venetians and subject them to Constantinople... woot!

 

[Drachenfire]

Changing culture is easy. But unfortunately, reforming the Byzantine Empire as the emperor of the Latin Empire isn't possible. To create the Byzantine Empire normally, the Latin Empire (and/or Roman Empire) must not be held by anyone; and the decision to "Restore the Byzantine Empire" isn't available to the holder of the Latin Empire. You'll have to find some way to shed that title first, unless you're playing with mods, as...

...suggests you are. But also, this modification is quite useless. The death date is only for the history files, it does absolutely nothing once you start up the game.

I did not realize this.

Im really not an expierenced modder in CK2 and am super rusty, know enough to get me in trouble really. Can I destroy the Latin title? If I have king vassals, I wonder how they may be affected? Is this also true for the Nicean emperor?

 

[BuddyLove]

You can't destroy your primary title; but if you get a secondary Empire title you can make that one primary, then destroy the Latin Empire.

Alternately, most of the decisions that do form Empires destroy the current titles- so if you conquered all of the Near East you could "Form the Empire of Outremer" (some of these duchies are needed for Rome, but not all of them).