County of Bar and Bishops/Prince-Bishops of Verdun Suggestion!

Voy · Oct 31, 2012

Doomdark gave us clear light to make a suggestion for the most needed county of Bar (as requested by the community). Well here it is.

Today the county of Bar is represented by Verdun as a compensation (sort of).

Code:

# 129 - Verdun

# County Title
title = c_verdun

# Settlements
max_settlements = 5
b_longuyon = castle # Longuyon
b_verdun = [COLOR="#FFFF00"]temple[/COLOR] # Verdun
[COLOR="#FFFF00"]b_etain = city # Étain[/COLOR]

#b_grandpre = temple # Grandpré
[COLOR="#FFFF00"]#b_stenay = city # Stenay[/COLOR]
#b_doaumont = castle # Douaumont

# Misc
culture = frankish
religion = catholic

# History

1134.1.1= { capital = b_verdun }

Code:

# ??? - Bar

# County Title
title = c_bar

# Settlements
max_settlements = 4
b_barleduc = castle # Bar-le-Duc
[COLOR="#FFFF00"]b_commercy = city # Commercy
b_saintdizier = temple # Saint-Dizier
[/COLOR]
#b_vaucouleurs = castle # Vaucouleurs
[COLOR="#FFFF00"]#b_joinville = city # Joinville[/COLOR]
#b_saintmihel = temple # Saint-Mihiel

# Misc
culture = frankish
religion = catholic

# History

C_Verdun was given b_longuyon as a new capital and b_verdun was changed into a temple to better represent the early bishops of Verdun which wasn't county holders. B_grandpre was removed from start, but will become active if invested in a temple in the county.

In 1134.1.1, c_Verdun changes it capital to b_Verdun as this is the date were it was changed into a prince-bishopric. More to that later.

The new baronies, in yellow, would need a name in the loc.
b_etain # Étain
b_stenay # Stenay
b_commercy # Commercy
b_saintdizier # Saint-Dizier
b_joinville # Joinville

Three baronies was moved from original c_verdun to new c_bar including: b_barleduc, b_vaucouleurs and b_saintmihel.

Landed Titles

I think that Verdun should be part of Lower Lorraine and Bar should be part of Upper Lorraine. Then they talk about the Archbishopric of Trier they always include the Bishopric of Verdun in it so that's how I motivate that change.

1. Counts of Bar

The new holders of Bar would be similar to those of Verdun (in game).

c_bar list

Code:

959.1.1={
        liege="d_upper_lorraine"
959.1.1={
	holder = 11008 #Friedrich Wigeriche
}
978.5.18={
	holder=11004 #Dietrich Wigeriche (22007)
}
1027.1.1={
	holder=7974 #Friedrich III Wigeriche
}
1033.1.1={
	holder=11001 #Sophia Wigeriche
}
1071.1.1={
	holder=20250 #Thierry de Scarponnois
}
1103.1.2=
{
	holder=7565
}
1149.3.10=
{
	holder=7566
}
1170.7.25=
{
	holder=34300
}
1190.10.1=
{
	holder=7568
}
1214.2.13=
{
	holder=7569
}
1239.11.13=
{
	holder=7570
}
1291.1.1=
{
	liege="k_france"
	holder=455763
}
1302.9.1=
{
	holder=455761
}
1336.11.1=
{
	holder=455760
}

2. Counts/Prince-Bishops of Verdun

Verdun is far trickier and this is basically where all deep research went.

c_verdun list

Code:

895.1.1={
	liege="d_lower_lorraine"
	holder=144994 #Richwin Reginar
}
923.11.15={
	holder=144993 #Otto Reginar
}
944.1.1={
	holder=1306 #Konrad Salian
}
963.1.1={
	holder=144992 #Gottfried Wigeriche
}
998.9.3={
	holder=161911 #Friedrich Wigeriche
}
1022.1.6={
	holder=11037 #Herman Wigeriche
}
1024.1.1={
	holder=161916 #Louis I de Chiny
}
1025.1.1={
	holder=11030  #Gottfried III (the Bearded) Wigeriche
}
1069.1.1={
	holder=20248 #Gottfried IV (the Hunchback) Wigeriche
}
1076.2.27={
	holder=30202  #Konrad II Salian
}
1086.1.1={
	holder=10072 #Godefroy V 
}
1099.7.15={
	holder=20250 #Theibaut de Scarponnois
}
1105.1.1={
	holder=7565 #Renaud I de Scarponnois
}
1120.1.1={
	holder=161965 #Henri de Grandpré
}
1124.1.1={
	holder=7565 #Renaud I de Scarponnois
}
1134.1.1={
	holder=161912  #Albéron de Chiny
}
1156.1.1={
	holder=161920  #Albert de Marcey
}
1162.4.14={
	holder=161922  #Richard de Namur
}
1171.1.1={
	holder=161913  #Arnoul de Chiny
}
1181.1.1={
	holder=161926  #Heinrich von Metz
}
1186.1.1={
	holder=161930  #Albert de Hierges
}
1208.7.25={
	holder=161931  #Robert de Grandpré
}
1216.8.25={
	holder=31554 #Jean d'Apremont
}
1224.1.1={
	holder=161939  #Ranoul de Thorotte
}
1245.4.1={
	holder=161985  #Guy de Traînel
}
1245.12.1={
	holder=161943 #Guy de Mello
}
1247.2.2={
	holder=161944  #Jean d'Aix
}
1252.8.10={
	holder=71825 #Jacques Pantaléon
}
1255.1.1={
	holder=161945  #Robert de Médidan
}
1271.9.7={
	holder=161946  #Ulrich de Sarvay
}
1275.1.1={
	holder=161949  #Gérard de Grandson
}
1278.1.1={
	holder=161950  #Henri de Grandson
}
1286.1.1={
	holder=161951  #Jacques de Ruvigny
}
1296.1.1={
	holder=161952  #Jean de Richericourt
}
1303.1.1={
	holder=161953  #Thomas de Blâmont
}
1305.1.1={
	holder=161954  #Nicolas de Neuville
}
1312.1.1={
	holder=161955  #Henri d'Apremont
}

But for it to become a Prince-Bishopric the holders must have the b_verdun.

Code:

984.1.1={
	liege="c_verdun"
	holder=161543 #Adalbero Wigeriche
}
984.4.1={
	holder=161910 #Adalbero Wigeriche
}
1039.1.1={
	holder=161961 #Richard de Grandpré
}
1107.1.1={
	holder=161964 #Richard de Grandpré
}
1131.1.1={
	holder=161912  #Albéron de Chiny
}
1156.1.1={
	holder=161920  #Albert de Marcey
}
1162.4.14={
	holder=161922  #Richard de Namur
}
1171.1.1={
	holder=161913  #Arnoul de Chiny
}
1181.1.1={
	holder=161926  #Heinrich von Metz/von Bliescastel
}
1186.1.1={
	holder=161930  #Albert de Hierges
}
1208.7.25={
	holder=161931  #Robert de Grandpré
}
1216.8.25={
	holder=31554 #Jean d'Apremont
}
1224.1.1={
	holder=161939  #Ranoul de Thorotte
}
1245.4.1={
	holder=161985  #Guy de Traînel
}
1245.12.1={
	holder=161943 #Guy de Mello
}
1247.2.2={
	holder=161944  #Jean d'Aix
}
1252.8.10={
	holder=71825 #Jacques Pantaléon
}
1255.1.1={
	holder=161945  #Robert de Médidan
}
1271.9.7={
	holder=161946  #Ulrich de Sarvay
}
1275.1.1={
	holder=161949  #Gérard de Grandson
}
1278.1.1={
	holder=161950  #Henri de Grandson
}
1286.1.1={
	holder=161951  #Jacques de Ruvigny
}
1296.1.1={
	holder=161952  #Jean de Richericourt
}
1303.1.1={
	holder=161953  #Thomas de Blâmont
}
1305.1.1={
	holder=161954  #Nicolas de Neuville
}
1312.1.1={
	holder=161955  #Henri d'Apremont
}

Also as a bonus here is a few more bishops of Laon.

b_laon

Code:

977.1.1=
{
liege="c_vermandois"
}
977.1.1=
{
holder=161541
}
1031.1.1={
	holder=0
}
[COLOR="#FFFF00"]
1113.1.1={
	holder=161982 #Barthelemy de Grandson
}
1286.1.1={
        holder=161938 #Robert de Thourotte
}
[/COLOR]

3. New Characters

I will present the new characters in sections of dynasties rather than succession order. The c. 50 new characters is all the holders of Verdun + missing relatives (I've chosen to add up to grandfather generation if spouse already exist just to bind up some singles ladies in game). All birth and death dates is aimed to be as historically correct as possible, but if no sources about those dates I've just made something up which makes sense in game in relation to other characters.

Wigeriche

Two missing characters; count Friedrich of Verdun and his great uncle Adalbero of Verdun. Not much to tell about them more than that they're missing. I suggest that you change "Adelbero" to "Adalbero" to id 161541, it's probably a typo error.

New Characters

Code:

161910 = {
	name="Adalbero" #Bishop of Verdun
	dynasty=22007
	culture="frankish"
	religion="catholic"
	father=11008 #Friedrich Wigeriche
	mother=11009 #Beatrice Capet
	966.1.1 = {
		birth="966.1.1"
	}
	1005.12.14 = {
		death="1005.12.14"
	}
}

161911 = {
	name="Friedrich" #Count of Verdun
	dynasty=22007
	culture="frankish"
	religion="catholic"
	father=144992 #Gottfried Wigeriche
	mother=1411 #Matilda Billung
	965.1.1 = {
		birth="965.1.1"
	}
	1022.1.6 = {
		death="1022.1.6"
	}
}

Suggested changes to the dynasty while we're at it

Code:

161541= {
	name="Ad[COLOR="#FFFF00"]a[/COLOR]lbero"
	dynasty=22007
	religion="catholic"
	culture="german"
	father=161540
	952.1.1 = {
		birth="952.1.1"
	}
	1031.1.1 = {
		death="1031.1.1"
	}
}

De Chiny

When I added these two prince-bishops I looked up their founder (always do) and found that the first Louis de Chiny was the son of Eudes Karling (6410). I build on that and added the ancestors and brother to Otton de Chiny (33207). I also suggest that you change Otton's name to Eudes since he's frankish and because his ancestor, Eudes Karling, is called Eudes not Otton (both is a variation of each other). By adding Albert, Otton's oldest son, I landed the single lady Agnes Scarponnois (34307) as well.

Code:

161912 = {
	name="Adalbéron" #Prince-Bishop of Verdun 1131-1156
	dynasty=7281 #de Chiny
	religion="catholic"
	culture="frankish"
	father=161918
	mother=161976
	1089.1.1 = {
		birth="1089.1.1"
	}
	1158.1.1 = {
		death="1158.1.1"
	}
}

161913 = {
	name="Arnoul" #Prince-Bishop of Verdun 1171- 14 August 1181
	dynasty=7281 #de Chiny
	religion="catholic"
	culture="frankish"
	father=161914 #Albert de Chiny
	mother=34307 #Agnes of Bar
	1140.1.1 = {
		birth="1140.1.1"
	}
	1181.8.14 = {
		death ="1181.8.14"
	}
}

161914 = {
	name="Albert"
	dynasty=7281 #Chiny
	culture="frankish"
	religion="catholic"	
	father=33207 #Otton de Chiny
	mother=33206 #Adelaide de Namur
	1096.1.1 = {
		birth="1096.1.1"
	}
	1138.1.1 = {
		add_spouse=34307 #Agnes de Bar
	}
	1162.1.1 = {
		death="1162.1.1"
	}
}

161915 = {
	name="Alix"
	female=yes 
	dynasty=7281 #Chiny
	culture="frankish"
	religion="catholic"	
	father=161914 #Albert de Chiny
	mother=34307 #Agnes de Bar
	1143.1.1 = {
		birth="1143.1.1"
	}
	1189.8.9 = {
		death="1189.8.9"
	}
}

161916 = {
	name="Louis"
	dynasty=7281 #Chiny
	culture="frankish"
	religion="catholic"	
	father=6410 #Eudes Karling
	984.1.1 = {
		birth="984.1.1"
	}
	1006.1.1 = {
		add_spouse=161974
	}
	1025.1.1 = {
		death ="1025.1.1"
	}
}

161917 = {
	name="Louis"
	dynasty=7281 #Chiny
	culture="frankish"
	religion="catholic"	
	father=161916 #Louis I
	mother=161974 #Adelais
	1010.1.1 = {
		birth="1010.1.1"
	}
	1025.1.1 = {
		add_spouse=161975 #Sophie
	}
	1065.1.1 = {
		death="1065.1.1"
	}
}

161918 = {
	name="Arnoul"
	dynasty=7281 #Chiny
	culture="frankish"
	religion="catholic"	
	father=161917
	mother=161975
	1040.1.1 = {
		birth="1040.1.1"
	}
	1066.1.1 = {
		add_spouse=161973 #Adela de Ramerupt
	}
	1088.1.1 = {
		add_spouse=161976 #Agnes
	}
	1106.4.16 = {
		death="1106.4.16"
	}
}

161919 = {
	name="Ida"
	female=yes 
	dynasty=7281 #Chiny
	culture="frankish"
	religion="catholic"	
	father=161914 #Albert de Chiny
	mother=34307 #Agnes de Bar
	1144.1.1 = {
		birth="1144.1.1"
	}
	1198.1.1 = {
		death="1198.1.1"
	}
}

161973 = {
	name="Adela"
	female=yes
	dynasty=8755 #de Ramerupt
	culture="frankish"
	religion="catholic"
	father=32294
	1050.1.1 = {
		birth="1050.1.1"
	}
	1069.1.1 = {
		death="1069.1.1"
	}
}

161974 = {
	name="Adelais" #Wife of Louis I de Chiny
	female=yes
	culture="frankish"
	religion="catholic"
	990.1.1 = {
		birth="990.1.1"
	}
	1040.1.1 = {
		death="1040.1.1"
	}
}

161975 = {
	name="Sophie" #Wife of Louis II de Chiny
	female=yes
	culture="frankish"
	religion="catholic"
	1013.1.1 = {
		birth="1013.1.1"
	}
	1063.1.1 = {
		death="1063.1.1"
	}
}

161976 = {
	name="Agnes" #Wife of Arnoul I de Chiny
	female=yes
	culture="frankish"
	religion="catholic"
	1066.1.1 = {
		birth="1066.1.1"
	}
	1106.4.16 = {
		employer=33205 #Bishop of Liege
	}
	1114.1.1 = {
		death="1114.1.1"
	}
}

Required changes to existing characters!

Code:

33207 = {
	name="[COLOR="#FFFF00"]Eudes[/COLOR]"
	dynasty=7281
	religion="catholic"
	culture="frankish"
	[COLOR="#FFFF00"]father=161918 #Arnoul de Chiny
	mother=161973 #Adela Ramerupt
	1068.1.1 = {
		birth="1068.1.1"
	}[/COLOR]
	1091.1.1 = {
		add_spouse=33206
	}
	1131.1.1 = {
		death="1131.1.1"
	}
}

De Namur

Two new characters: son and grandson of Henri de Namur (161537).

Code:

161921 = {
	name="Godefroy"
	dynasty=302 #de Namur
	culture="frankish"
	religion="catholic"
	father=161537 #Henri de Namur
	1073.1.1 = {
		birth="1073.1.1"
	}
	1118.1.1 = {
		add_spouse=161966 #Alix de Grandpré
	}
	1124.1.1 = {
		death="1124.1.1"
	}
}

161922 = {
	name="Richard" #Prince-Bishop of Verdun 1162-1171
	dynasty=302 #de Namur
	culture="frankish"
	religion="catholic"
	father=161921 #Godefroy de Namur
	mother=161966 #Alix de Grandpré
	1119.1.1 = {
		birth="1119.1.1"
	}
	1171.1.1 = {
		death="1171.1.1"
	}
}

Von Metz

Next dynasty is a branch of the dynasty von Metz. There is two options here: add an new dynasty [von Bliescastel] or you just keep the old dynasty [von Metz] (which I've decided to show you here). Folmar married his second cousin Clementia von Metz (31547).

Code:

161923 = {
	name="Gottfried" #von Bliescastel
	dynasty=100128 #von Metz
	culture="german"
	religion="catholic"
	father=20249 #Folmar von Metz
	mother=4249 #Spanhilda
	1046.1.1 = {
		birth="1046.1.1"
	}
	1077.1.1 = {
		add_spouse=161981 #Mathilde von Luxemburg
	}
	1098.1.1 = {
		death="1098.1.1"
	}
}

161924 = {
	name="Gottfried" #von Bliescastel
	dynasty=100128 #von Metz
	culture="german"
	religion="catholic"
	father=161923
	mother=161981
	1078.1.1 = {
		birth="1078.1.1"
	}
	1127.1.1 = {
		death="1127.1.1"
	}
}

161925 = {
	name="Folmar" #von Bliescastel
	dynasty=100128 #von Metz
	culture="german"
	religion="catholic"
	father=161924
	1115.1.1 = {
		birth="1115.1.1"
	}
	1138.1.1 = {
		add_spouse=31547 #Clementia von Metz
	}
	1179.1.1 = {
		death="1179.1.1"
	}
}

161926 = {
	name="Heinrich" #Prince-Bishop of Verdun 1181-1186
	dynasty=100128 #von Metz
	culture="german"
	religion="catholic"
	father=161925 #Folmar von Bliescastel
	mother=31547 #Clementia von Metz
	1140.1.1 = {
		birth="1140.1.1"
	}
	1186.1.1 = {
		add_trait="celibate"
                employer=213148
	}
        1191.8.5 = {
                employer=206853
        }
	1196.1.1 = {
		death="1196.1.1"
	}
}

161981 = {
	name="Mathilde"
	female=yes
	dynasty=420 #von Luxemburg
	culture="german"
	religion="catholic"
	father=106650
	1065.1.1 = {
		birth="1065.1.1"
	}
	1105.1.1 = {
		death="1105.1.1"
	}
}

De Hiergis and De Rethel

Héribrand de Hiergis was an overlord/seigneur in France. He married Hodierne de Rethel and got Manassès de Hiegis which was then cousin of Melisande of Jerusalem which send after him in 1140 to be Constable of Jerusalem. Since Constable doesn't even exist as a title in the game he should be marshal. To achieve this I've given him a 9 base in martial skill and given him the trait brilliant strategist. He was later exiled and married Alix de Chiny, the daughter of Albert de Chiny I mentioned before, in 1160. He later died of illness as a monk in an abbey not too far from Liege. After Héribrands death, in 1114, Hodierne married Roger d'Hauteville (30877) prince/duke of Antioch the same year.

Code:

161927 = {
	name="Héribrand"
	dynasty=1029030 #de Hiergis
	culture="frankish"
	religion="catholic"
	1060.1.1 = {
		birth="1060.1.1"
	}
	1100.1.1 = {
		add_spouse=161928 #Hodierne de Rethel
	}
	1114.1.1 = {
		death="1114.1.1"
	}
}

161928 = {
	name="Hodierne"
	female=yes
	dynasty=20035 #de Rethel
	culture="frankish"
	religion="catholic"
	father=90082 #Hugues de Rethel
	mother=90077 #Melisande de Montlhéry
	1077.1.1 = {
		birth="1077.1.1"
	}
	1118.1.1 = {
		death="1118.1.1"
	}
}

161929 = {
	name="Manassès"
	dynasty=1029030 #de Hiergis
	martial=9
	culture="frankish"
	religion="catholic"
	add_trait="brilliant_strategist"
	father=161927 #Héribrand de Hiergis
	mother=161928 #Hodierne de Rethel
	1110.1.1 = {
		birth="1110.1.1"
	}
	1140.1.1 = {
		employer=223525 #King Folques of Jerusalem
		add_trait="crusader"
	}
	1143.11.13 = {
		employer=231067 #King of Jerusalem
	}
	1152.1.1 = {
		employer=33211 #Exiled to Belgium/Liege
	}
	1160.1.1 = {
		add_spouse=161915 #Alix de Chiny
	}
	1164.10.6 = {
		employer=33212 #Monk in Belgium/Liege
		add_trait="celibate"
	}
	1176.1.1 = {
		add_trait="ill"
	}
	1176.1.8 = {
		death ="1176.1.8"
	}
}

161930 = {
	name="Albert" #Prince-Bishop of Verdun 1186-1208.7.25
	dynasty=1029030 #de Hiergis
	culture="frankish"
	religion="catholic"
	father=161929
	mother=161915
	1162.1.1 = {
		birth="1162.1.1"
	}
	1208.7.25 = {
		death ="1208.7.25"
	}
}

Code:

30877 = {
	name="Roger"
	dynasty=678
	religion="catholic"
	culture="norman"
	father=11361
	mother=30873
	1087.1.1 = {
		birth="1087.1.1"
	}
        [COLOR="#FFFF00"]1114.1.1 = {
		add_spouse=161928 #Hodierne de Rethel
	}[/COLOR]
	1119.6.27 = {
		death="1119.6.27"
	}
}

De Grandpré

De Grandpré was a frankish dynasty. One count of Verdun was in this dynasty as well as one prince-bishop. I added the spouse of Henri and made them marry right before their son, Prince-Bishop Robert, was born. I want to report a typo error on your behalf as well, 161250 is named Liutgard not Luitgard.

Code:

161960 = {
	name="Hildrad"
	dynasty=5089 #de Grandpré
	culture="frankish"
	religion="catholic"
	990.1.1 = {
		birth="990.1.1"
	}
	1010.1.1 = {
		add_spouse=161978 #Hersende
	}
	1040.12.11 = {
		death="1040.12.11"
	}
}

161961 = {
	name="Richard" #Bishop of Verdun
	dynasty=5089 #de Grandpré
	culture="frankish"
	religion="catholic"
	father=161960
	mother=161978
	1015.1.1 = {
		birth="1015.1.1"
	}
	1046.11.7 = {
		death="1046.11.7"
	}
}

161962 = {
	name="Herman"
	dynasty=5089 #de Grandpré
	culture="frankish"
	religion="catholic"
	father=161960
	mother=161978
	1014.1.1 = {
		birth="1014.1.1"
	}
	1031.1.1 = {
		add_spouse=161977 #Judith
	}
	1066.1.1 = {
		death="1066.1.1"
	}
}

161963 = {
	name="Henri"
	dynasty=5089 #de Grandpré
	culture="frankish"
	religion="catholic"
	father=161962
	mother=161977
	1047.1.1 = {
		birth="1047.1.1"
	}
	1097.1.1 = {
		death="1097.1.1"
	}
}

161964 = {
	name="Richard" #Bishop of Verdun
	dynasty=5089 #de Grandpré
	culture="frankish"
	religion="catholic"
	father=161962
	mother=161977
	1048.1.1 = {
		birth="1048.1.1"
	}
	1114.1.1 = {
		death="1114.1.1"
	}
}

161965 = {
	name="Henri" #Count of Verdun
	dynasty=5089 #de Grandpré
	culture="frankish"
	religion="catholic"
	father=161963
	1076.1.1 = {
		birth="1076.1.1"
	}
	1099.1.1 = {
		add_spouse=161968 #Ermentrude de Grandson
	}
	1135.1.1 = {
		death="1135.1.1"
	}
}

161966 = {
	name="Alix"
        female=yes
	dynasty=5089 #de Grandpré
	culture="frankish"
	religion="catholic"
	father=161965
	mother=161968
	1100.1.1 = {
		birth="1100.1.1"
	}
	1150.1.1 = {
		death="1150.1.1"
	}
}

161931 = {
	name="Robert" #Prince-Bishop of Verdun
	dynasty=5089 #de Grandpré
	culture="frankish"
	religion="catholic"
	father=161958
	mother=161959
	1139.1.1 = {
		birth="1139.1.1"
	}
	1216.8.25 = {
		death="1216.8.25"
	}
}

161958 = {
	name="Henri"
	dynasty=5089
	culture="frankish"
	religion="catholic"
        father=161965
	mother=161968
	1105.1.1 = {
		birth="1105.1.1"
	}
	1130.1.1 = {
		add_spouse=161959
	}
	1189.1.1 = {
		death="1189.1.1"
	}
}

161959 = {
	name="Liutgard"
	female=yes
	dynasty=420 #von Luxemburg
	culture="german"
	religion="catholic"
	father=500001 #Wilhelm von Luxemburg
	mother=161250 #Liutgard von Nordheim
	1114.1.1 = {
		birth="1114.1.1"
	}
	1164.1.1 = {
		death="1164.1.1"
	}
}

161977 = {
	name="Judith" #Wife of Herman de Grandpré
	female=yes
	culture="frankish"
	religion="catholic"
	1015.1.1 = {
		birth="1015.1.1"
	}
	1065.1.1 = {
		death="1065.1.1"
	}
}

161978 = {
	name="Hersende" #Wife of Hildrad de Grandpré
	female=yes
	culture="frankish"
	religion="catholic"
	991.1.1 = {
		birth="991.1.1"
	}
	1041.1.1 = {
		death="1041.1.1"
	}
}

De Dampierre

Three characters. Guillaume is the new founder and, along with the already existing son, he is given two daughters, Elisabeth and Odette, who gave birth to prince-bishops of Verdun. A little change could be done with Guy (7488) as he could be both born later and should be the son of new Guillaume.

Code:

161932 = {
	name="Guillaume"
	dynasty=92 #De Dampierre
	culture="frankish"
	religion="catholic"
	1100.1.1 = {
		birth="1100.1.1"
	}
	1161.1.1 = {
		death="1161.1.1"
	}
}

161933 = {
	name="Elisabeth"
	female=yes
	dynasty=92 #De Dampierre
	culture="frankish"
	religion="catholic"
	father=161932
	1155.1.1 = {
		birth="1155.1.1"
	}
	1218.1.1 = {
		death="1218.1.1"
	}
}

161934 = {
	name="Odette"
	female=yes
	dynasty=92 #De Dampierre
	culture="frankish"
	religion="catholic"
	father=161932
	1159.1.1 = {
		birth="1159.1.1"
	}
	1212.1.1 = {
		death="1212.1.1"
	}
}

Code:

7488 = {
	name="Guy"
	dynasty=92
	religion="catholic"
	culture="frankish"
        [COLOR="#FFFF00"]father=161932 #Guillaume de Dampierre
	1145.1.1 = {
		birth="1145.1.1"[/COLOR]
	}
	1196.1.1 = {
		add_spouse=205652
	}
	1216.1.18 = {
		death="1216.1.18"
	}
}

De La Tourette

Frankish dynasty who got a lot of clerics in it. Jean married Alix de Dreux and had Jean II who married Odette de Dampierre and they got Jean III, Prince-Bishop Ranoul of Verdun, Bishop Robert of Langres and a daughter Helvide/Ermengarde/Alix who gave birth to Prince-Bishop D'Aix. Jean got Bishop Robert of Laon and Archbishop Raolf of Lyon. Since it's a frankish family, Raolf should be renamed to Raoul and change culture from Occitan to Frankish. Also "de la Tourette" is the original name of the dynasty, but I think "de Thourotte" would be better since I only found sources on that name.

Code:

161935 = {
	name="Jean"
	dynasty=1027023
	culture="frankish"
	religion="catholic"
	father=161940
	mother=204986
	1172.1.1 = {
		birth="1172.1.1"
	}
	1189.1.1 = {
		add_spouse=161934 #Odette De Dampierre
	}
	1236.1.1 = {
		death="1236.1.1"
	}
}

161936 = {
	name="Jean"
	dynasty=1027023
	culture="frankish"
	religion="catholic"
	father=161935
	mother=161934
	1190.1.1 = {
		birth="1190.1.1"
	}
	1263.1.1 = {
		death="1263.1.1"
	}
}

161937 = {
	name="Helvide" #or Ermengarde or Alix, Sister of Prince-Bishop Ranoul of Verdun
	female=yes
	dynasty=1027023
	culture="frankish"
	religion="catholic"
	father=161935
	mother=161934
	1194.1.1 = {
		birth="1194.1.1"
	}
	1244.1.1 = {
		death="1244.1.1"
	}
}

161938 = {
	name="Robert" #Bishop of Laon
	dynasty=1027023
	culture="frankish"
	religion="catholic"
	father=161936 #Jean II
	#mother=
	1236.1.1 = {
		birth="1236.1.1"
	}
	1297.1.1 = {
		death="1297.1.1"
	}
}

161939 = {
	name="Ranoul" #Bishop of Verdun
	dynasty=1027023
	culture="frankish"
	religion="catholic"
	father=161935 #Jean I
	mother=161934
	1191.1.1 = {
		birth="1191.1.1"
	}
	1245.4.1 = {
		death="1245.4.1"
	}
}

161940 = {
	name="Jean"
	dynasty=1027023
	culture="frankish"
	religion="catholic"
	1100.1.1 = {
		birth="1100.1.1"
	}
	1170.1.1 = {
		add_spouse=204986 #Alix de Dreux
	}
	1177.1.1 = {
		death="1177.1.1"
	}
}

Code:

138453 = {
	name=[COLOR="#FFFF00"]"Raoul"[/COLOR] #Bishop Raoul II de la Tourette of Lyon/StJeanBaptiste
	dynasty=1027023
	religion="catholic"
	culture=[COLOR="#FFFF00"]"frankish"
	father=161936[/COLOR]
	1238.1.1 = {
		birth="1238.1.1"
	}
	1288.4.7 = {
		death="1288.4.7"
	}
}

33219 = {
	name="Robert"
	[COLOR="#FFFF00"]dynasty=1027023[/COLOR]
	religion="catholic"
	culture="frankish"
	add_trait="martial_cleric"
	[COLOR="#FFFF00"]father=161935
	mother=161934
	1192.1.1 = {
		birth="1192.1.1"
	}[/COLOR]
	1246.10.26 = {
		death="1246.10.26"
	}
}

De Mello and de Traînel

Prince-Bishop Guy of Verdun and his Aunt who married Garnier de Traînel and got the previous Prince-Bishop Guy who died somewhere around 1245.

Code:

161943 = {
	name="Guy" #Bishop of Verdun
	dynasty=5057 #de Mello
	culture="frankish"
	religion="catholic"
	father=161713
	1203.1.1 = {
		birth="1203.1.1"
	}
	1270.9.19 = {
		death="1270.9.19"
	}
}

161983 = {
	name="Agnes"
	female=yes
	dynasty=5057 #de Mello
	culture="frankish"
	religion="catholic"
	father=161712
	1175.1.1 = {
		birth="1175.1.1"
	}
	1235.1.1 = {
		death="1235.1.1"
	}
}

161984 = {
	name="Garnier"
	dynasty=1029041 #de Traînel
	culture="frankish"
	religion="catholic"
	1169.1.1 = {
		birth="1169.1.1"
	}
	1198.1.1 = {
		add_spouse=161983
	}
	1225.1.1 = {
		death="1225.1.1"
	}
}

161985 = {
	name="Guy"
	dynasty=1029041 #de Traînel
	culture="frankish"
	religion="catholic"
	father=161984
	mother=161983
	1200.1.1 = {
		birth="1200.1.1"
	}
	1245.12.1 = {
		death="1245.12.1"
	}
}

De Grandson

The birthdate of Agnes von Neuenburg need to be moved forward twenty years or she'd be at least 50 when she got her children. All the "employer=" is for the dynasty to stay in Genevé and Neuchatel.

Code:

161967 = {
	name="Conan"
	dynasty=1029031 #de Grandson
	culture="frankish"
	religion="catholic"
	1052.1.1 = {
		birth="1052.1.1"
	}
	1078.1.1 = {
		add_spouse=161972 #Aelis de Ramerupt
	}
	1110.1.1 = {
		death="1110.1.1"
	}
}

161968 = {
	name="Ermentrude"
	female=yes
	dynasty=1029031 #de Grandson
	culture="frankish"
	religion="catholic"
	father=161967
	mother=161972
	1081.1.1 = {
		birth="1081.1.1"
	}
	1140.1.1 = {
		death="1140.1.1"
	}
}

161969 = {
	name="Ebles"
	dynasty=1029031 #de Grandson
	culture="frankish"
	religion="catholic"
	father=161967
	mother=161972
	1079.1.1 = {
		birth="1079.1.1"
	}
	1100.1.1 = {
		add_spouse=161979 #Adelaide
	}
	1133.5.15 = {
		death="1133.5.15"
	}
}

161982 = {
	name="Barthelemy" #Bishop of Laon
	dynasty=1029031 #de Grandson
	culture="frankish"
	religion="catholic"
	father=161967
	mother=161972
	1080.1.1 = {
		birth="1080.1.1"
	}
	1158.1.1 = {
		death="1158.1.1"
	}
}

161970 = {
	name="Barthelemy"
	dynasty=1029031 #de Grandson
	culture="frankish"
	religion="catholic"
	father=161969
	mother=161979
	1115.1.1 = {
		birth="1115.1.1"
	}
	1158.1.1 = {
		death="1158.1.1"
	}
}

161971 = {
	name="Ebles"
	dynasty=1029031 #de Grandson
	culture="frankish"
	religion="catholic"
	father=161970
	1146.1.1 = {
		birth="1146.1.1"
	}
	1170.1.1 = {
		add_spouse=161980 #Jordane
	}
	1190.1.1 = {
		death="1190.1.1"
	}
}

161972 = {
	name="Aelis"
	female=yes
	dynasty=8755 #de Ramerupt
	culture="frankish"
	religion="catholic"
	father=32294
	1061.1.1 = {
		birth="1061.1.1"
	}
	1111.1.1 = {
		death="1111.1.1"
	}
}

161947 = {
	name="Ebles"
	dynasty=1029031 #de Grandson
	culture="frankish"
	religion="catholic"
	father=161971
	mother=161980
	1175.1.1 = {
		birth="1175.1.1"
	}
	1196.7.25 = {
		employer=212742
	}
	1200.1.1 = {
		add_spouse=212743 #Beatrice de Genéve
	}
	1225.5.10 = {
		employer=212745
	}
	1235.1.26 = {
		death="1235.1.26"
	}
}

161948 = {
	name="Pierre"
	dynasty=1029031 #de Grandson
	culture="frankish"
	religion="catholic"
	father=161947
	mother=212743 #Beatrice de Genéve
	1205.1.1 = {
		birth="1205.1.1"
		employer=212742
	}
	1236.1.1 = {
		add_spouse=32778 #Agnes von Neuenburg
		employer=32769
	}
	1258.1.1 = {
		death="1258.1.1"
	}
}

161949 = {
	name="Gérard" # 
	dynasty=1029031 #de Grandson
	culture="frankish"
	religion="catholic"
	father=161948 #Pierre
	mother=32778 #Agnes von Neuenburg
	1249.1.1 = {
		birth="1249.1.1"
	}
	1278.1.1 = {
		death="1278.1.1"
	}
}

161950 = {
	name="Henri" # 
	dynasty=1029031 #de Grandson
	culture="frankish"
	religion="catholic"
	father=161948 #Pierre
	mother=32778 #Agnes von Neuenburg
	1251.1.1 = {
		birth="1251.1.1"
	}
	1286.1.1 = {
		death="1286.1.1"
	}
}

161979 = {
	name="Adelaide" #Wife of Ebles de Grandson
	female=yes
	culture="frankish"
	religion="catholic"
	1082.1.1 = {
		birth="1082.1.1"
	}
	1132.1.1 = {
		death="1132.1.1"
	}
}

161980 = {
	name="Jordane" #Wife of Ebles de Grandson
	female=yes
	culture="frankish"
	religion="catholic"
	1150.1.1 = {
		birth="1150.1.1"
	}
	1200.1.1 = {
		death="1200.1.1"
	}
}

Code:

32778 = {
	name="Agnes" 
	female=yes
	dynasty=87
	religion="catholic"
	culture="german"
	father=32768
	mother=33313
	[COLOR="#FFFF00"]1220.1.1[/COLOR] = {
		birth="[COLOR="#FFFF00"]1220.1.1[/COLOR]"
	}
	1263.8.31 = {
		death="1263.8.31"
	}
}

d'Apremont

Two missing ancestors to Prince-Bishop Jean of Metz who should also be the Prince-Bishop of Verdun. These two marries women I've reported before in this post. Prince-Bishop Jean (31554) should have the new parents, Geoffroy and Elisabeth.

Code:

161956 = {
	name="Gobert" 
	dynasty=7224 #d'Apremont
	culture="frankish"
	religion="catholic"
	1130.1.1 = {
		birth="1130.1.1"
	}
	1150.1.1 = {
		add_spouse=161919 #Ida de Chiny
	}
	1190.11.26 = {
		death ="1190.11.26"
	}
}

161957 = {
	name="Geoffroy"
	dynasty=7224 #d'Apremont
	culture="frankish"
	religion="catholic"
	father=161956
	mother=161919
	1165.1.1 = {
		birth="1165.1.1"
	}
	1180.1.1 = {
		add_spouse=161933 #Elisabeth de Dampierre
	}
	1222.6.20 = {
		death="1222.6.20"
	}
}

Code:

31554 = {
	name="Jean" #bishop of Metz 1224-1238 and Verdun 1217-1224
	dynasty=7224
	religion="catholic"
	culture="frankish"
	add_trait="martial_cleric"
        [COLOR="#FFFF00"]father=161957 #Geoffroy d'Apremont
        mother=161933 #Elisabeth de Dampierre[/COLOR]
	1185.1.2 = {
		birth="1185.1.2"
	}
	1238.12.10 = {
		death="1238.12.10"
	}
}

Other single dynasties

These characters might as well be lowborns since they're on their own until someone research their dynasty trees and adds relatives somewhat important to the CK2 world. Some have connection to the dynasties above this point, but there is a gap in sources between the folks.

Code:

161920 = {
	name="Albert" #Prince-Bishop of Verdun 1156- 14 April 1162
	dynasty=1029033 #de Marcey
	culture="frankish"
	religion="catholic"
	1110.1.1 = {
		birth="1110.1.1"
	}
	1162.4.14 = {
		death="1162.4.14"
	}
}

161944 = {
	name="Jean" 
	dynasty=1029034 #d'Aix
	culture="frankish"
	religion="catholic"
	mother=161937 #Helvide de Thourotte
	1200.1.1 = {
		birth="1200.1.1"
	}
	1252.8.10 = {
		death="1252.8.10"
	}
}

161945 = {
	name="Robert"
	dynasty=1029035 #de Médidan
	culture="frankish"
	religion="catholic"
	1205.1.1 = {
		birth="1205.1.1"
	}
	1271.9.7 = {
		death="1271.9.7"
	}
}

161946 = {
	name="Ulrich"
	dynasty=1029036 #de Sarvay
	culture="frankish"
	religion="catholic"
	1218.1.1 = {
		birth="1218.1.1"
	}
	1273.1.1 = {
		death="1273.1.1"
	}
}

161951 = {
	name="Jacques" # 
	dynasty=1029037 #de Ruvigny
	culture="frankish"
	religion="catholic"
	1229.1.1 = {
		birth="1229.1.1"
	}
	1296.1.1 = {
		death="1296.1.1"
	}
}

161952 = {
	name="Jean" #Somehow related to d'Apremont
	dynasty=1029038 #de Richercourt
	culture="frankish"
	religion="catholic"
	1250.1.1 = {
		birth="1250.1.1"
	}
	1303.1.1 = {
		death="1303.1.1"
	}
}

161953 = {
	name="Thomas" # 
	dynasty=1029039 #de Blâmont
	culture="frankish"
	religion="catholic"
	1255.1.1 = {
		birth="1255.1.1"
	}
	1305.1.1 = {
		death="1305.1.1"
	}
}

161954 = {
	name="Nicolas" # 
	dynasty=1029040 #de Neuville
	culture="frankish"
	religion="catholic"
	1240.1.1 = {
		birth="1240.1.1"
	}
	1312.1.1 = {
		death="1312.1.1"
	}
}

161955 = {
	name="Henri" #Somehow related to d'Apremont
	culture="frankish"
	religion="catholic"
	1283.1.1 = {
		birth="1283.1.1"
	}
	1349.1.5 = {
		death="1349.1.5"
	}
}

New Dynasties to add

Code:

1029029 = {
	name="von Bliescastel" #If no use of von Metz
	culture = german
}
1029030 = {
	name="de Hiergis"
	culture = frankish
}
1029031 = {
	name="de Grandson"
	culture = frankish
}
1029033 = {
	name="de Marcey"
	culture = frankish
}
1029034 = {
	name="d'Aix"
	culture = frankish
}
1029035 = {
	name="de Médidan"
	culture = frankish
}
1029036 = {
	name="de Sarvay"
	culture = frankish
}
1029037 = {
	name="de Ruvigny"
	culture = frankish
}
1029038 = {
	name="de Richercourt"
	culture = frankish
}
1029039 = {
	name="de Blâmont"
	culture = frankish
}
1029040 = {
	name="de Neuville"
	culture = frankish
}
1029041 = {
	name="de Traînel"
	culture = frankish
}

Changes to existing dynasties!

Code:

1027023 = {
	name="[COLOR="#FFFF00"]de Thourotte[/color]"
	culture = [COLOR="#FFFF00"]frankish[/color]
}

jordarkelf · Oct 31, 2012

EXCELLENT research here. I hope this can be added (although I doubt it, the map seems fixed now).

A few missing things:

c_bar needs its liege set or it will always be independent:

Code:

959.1.1={
	liege="d_upper_lorraine"
	holder = 11008 #Friedrich Wigeriche
}

landed_titles changes needed for this, provided both c_bar and c_verdun remain part of d_upper_lorraine:

Code:

			c_bar = {
				color={ 115 115 115 }
				color2={ 255 255 255 }
				
				b_barleduc = {}
				b_commercy = {}
				b_saintdizier = {}
				b_vaucouleurs = {}
				b_joinville = {}
				b_saintmihel = {}
			}
			c_verdun = {
				color={ 111 111 111 }
				color2={ 255 255 255 }
				
				b_longuyon = {}
				b_verdun = {}
				b_etain = {}
				b_grandpre = {}
				b_stenay = {}
				b_doaumont = {}
			}

And of course localization:

Code:

PROVxxx;Bar;Bar;Bar;;Bar;;;;;;;;;x
c_bar_adj;Barrois;Barrois;Barrois;;Barrois;;;;;;;;;x
b_etain;Étain;Étain;Stain;;Étain;;;;;;;;;x
b_stenay;Stenay;Stenay;Stenay;;Stenay;;;;;;;;;x
b_commercy;Commercy;Commercy;Commarchen;;Commercy;;;;;;;;;x
b_saintdizier;Saint-Dizier;Saint-Dizier;Saint-Dizier;;Saint-Dizier;;;;;;;;;x

And c_bar would need a flag: View attachment 66678

Arko · Oct 31, 2012

if added, it should come with a creatable duchy of Bar too (bar + verdun)

Voy · Oct 31, 2012

Arko said:
if added, it should come with a creatable duchy of Bar too (bar + verdun)

No. Verdun should be part of Lower Lorraine and Bar should be part of Upper Lorraine. Duchy of Bar wasn't created until a lot later.

jordarkelf · Oct 31, 2012

Voy, One error I noticed in your suggestions:
The Bar province file uses b_saint-dizier but your suggested localization uses b_saintdizier

Agreed on duchy placement, this also fits with 1066 start ownership.

Voy · Oct 31, 2012

jordarkelf said:
Voy, One error I noticed in your suggestions:
The Bar province file uses b_saint-dizier but your suggested localization (and my example landed_titles) use b_saintdizier

Agreed on duchy placement, this also fits with 1066 start ownership.

Ah. I corrected it. Thank you.

Veldmaarschalk · Oct 31, 2012

Could you give the new characters an ID between 161910 and 161999.

Thank you.

Sleight of Hand · Oct 31, 2012

Awesome work, Voy. I've been waiting (impatiently) for you to get around to posting this.

Voy · Oct 31, 2012

Veldmaarschalk said:
Could you give the new characters an ID between 161910 and 161999.

Thank you.

Sure. Give me a minute.

Sleight of Hand said:
Awesome work, Voy. I've been waiting (impatiently) for you to get around to posting this.

Let's just say I would have completed this post a lot later if not for your "nagging".

Veldmaarschalk · Oct 31, 2012

Also baronies and counties should never have this scripted

Code:

990.4.18={
	holder=0
}

So if you could remove those entries.

EDIT
Also spotted an error here

Code:

900022 = {
	name="Elisabeth"
	female=yes
	dynasty=92 #De Dampierre
	culture="frankish"
	religion="catholic"
	father=900021
	[COLOR="#00FF00"]1155.1.1 = {
		birth="1150.1.1"
	}[/COLOR]
	1218.1.1 = {
		death="1218.1.1"
	}
}

Also there shouldn't be any scripted deathcauses.

EDIT

The Frankish version of his name is Godefroy or Geoffroy

Code:

900010 = {
	name="Godfrey" #Father of Richard
	dynasty=302 #de Namur
	culture="frankish"
	religion="catholic"
	father=161537 #Henri de Namur
	1067.1.1 = {
		birth="1067.1.1"
	}
	1124.1.1 = {
		death="1124.1.1"
	}
}

Voy · Oct 31, 2012

Veldmaarschalk said:
Also baronies and counties should never have this scripted

Code:

990.4.18={ holder=0 }

So if you could remove those entries.

There are many baronies with this in the history files. And I've written it like that before for baronies without problem as it gives the barony a random holder. Why shouldn't I? (I'm not trying to be rude, please do understand that, just curious.)

Veldmaarschalk · Oct 31, 2012

Voy said:
There are many baronies with this in the history files. And I've written it like that before for baronies without problem as it gives the barony a random holder. Why shouldn't I? (I'm not trying to be rude, please do understand that, just curious.)

If there are such things in the baronies titles, then they are errors.

The game will assign a holder to that title, regardless if you put it in or not.

Voy · Oct 31, 2012

Veldmaarschalk said:
If there are such things in the baronies titles, then they are errors.

The game will assign a holder to that title, regardless if you put it in or not.

But if I want the character to resign before he dies? Do I have to make a new character then?

EDIT

Why can't we use deathcauses when they're there fully working?

Veldmaarschalk · Oct 31, 2012

And one other error

Code:

900045 = {
	name="Gobert" # 
	dynasty=7224 #d'Apremont
	culture="frankish"
	religion="catholic"
	[COLOR="#00FF00"]1130.1.1 = {
		birth="1120.1.1"
	}
[/COLOR]	1150.1.1 = {
		add_spouse=900008 #Ida de Chiny
	}
	1190.11.26 = {
		death = {
		death_reason = death_battle
		}
	}
}

Veldmaarschalk · Oct 31, 2012

Voy said:
But if I want the character to resign before he dies? Do I have to make a new character then?

Yes, you then need to script his successor.

Voy · Oct 31, 2012

I'll fix it, just give me some time and I'll tell you when I'm done.. Still seems foolish to not use the death reason script if it works, but whatever.

Veldmaarschalk · Oct 31, 2012

Ok, once you are done I will report it as a suggestion on the internal forum.

jordarkelf · Oct 31, 2012

Another error with 900034 Robert de Médidan, he's scripted to die in 1264.10.2 but holds c_verdun and b_verdun until 1271.9.7. Not sure which date is right here or if someone is missing.

Voy · Oct 31, 2012

jordarkelf said:
Another error with 900034 Robert de Médidan, he's scripted to die in 1264.10.2 but holds c_verdun and b_verdun until 1271.9.7. Not sure which date is right here or if someone is missing.

I'll look into it. I must admit I was in rush at the end because I wanted to move on to something else. Thank you for telling me.

Arko · Oct 31, 2012

Voy said:
No. Verdun should be part of Lower Lorraine and Bar should be part of Upper Lorraine. Duchy of Bar wasn't created until a lot later.

I personaly don't consider lower lorraine supposed to survive and being recreatable to let emerge powers such as Brabant or Bar.

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