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tywinzo
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Count palatine is my favourite title - so how about adding some titles with historical precedent in-game?
It is a historical word that lived ever since the roman empire (latin: palatinus, english: palace), with various differences in style. E.g. it comes from ancient time (comes [companion]), pre-feudal (comes palatinus, paladin peers), feudal (count palatine, pfalzgraf, papal titles, etc), and even in modern time (Hermann Göring was a paladin)! For instance the word "paladin" ultimately stems from the same word and carries a kind of dignity.
Quoting a part from wikipedia: "By the High Middle Ages, the title "count" had become increasingly common, to the point that both great magnates who ruled regions that were the size of duchies, and local castle-lords, might style themselves "count". As the great magnates began to centralize their power over their local castle-lords, they felt the need to assert the difference between themselves and these minor "counts". Therefore, several of these great magnates began styling themselves "Count Palatine", signifying great counts ruling regions equivalent to duchies, such as the Counts Palatine of Champagne in the 13th century." And if I do not mis-remember reading in other literature, the title eventually also got partially inflated, leading former counts palatine to change their title back (!) to simply "count" to stand out or elevate their own status.
In other words, these people were more or less duke-level. They were entrusted much real-political power and in CK2 are simply called "count", while in real-life they were much heavier, and really called count palatine and similiar fashions (depending on location it could differ, it could be for example "earl palatine" in "England"). Some of them were imperial palatines or otherwise very powerful, e.g. palatine of hungary.
I know that there are MODs out there that already fixes some of this (I have one myself, and there is HIP that also does a good job), but e.g. title modding only works so well if e.g. a theocracy switches to take the title, and it kind of should be supported by the base game. It would be cool to see more nuanced titles, and while at it, also throw in margraves, marquis, march, etc. For flavour.
It is a historical word that lived ever since the roman empire (latin: palatinus, english: palace), with various differences in style. E.g. it comes from ancient time (comes [companion]), pre-feudal (comes palatinus, paladin peers), feudal (count palatine, pfalzgraf, papal titles, etc), and even in modern time (Hermann Göring was a paladin)! For instance the word "paladin" ultimately stems from the same word and carries a kind of dignity.
Quoting a part from wikipedia: "By the High Middle Ages, the title "count" had become increasingly common, to the point that both great magnates who ruled regions that were the size of duchies, and local castle-lords, might style themselves "count". As the great magnates began to centralize their power over their local castle-lords, they felt the need to assert the difference between themselves and these minor "counts". Therefore, several of these great magnates began styling themselves "Count Palatine", signifying great counts ruling regions equivalent to duchies, such as the Counts Palatine of Champagne in the 13th century." And if I do not mis-remember reading in other literature, the title eventually also got partially inflated, leading former counts palatine to change their title back (!) to simply "count" to stand out or elevate their own status.
In other words, these people were more or less duke-level. They were entrusted much real-political power and in CK2 are simply called "count", while in real-life they were much heavier, and really called count palatine and similiar fashions (depending on location it could differ, it could be for example "earl palatine" in "England"). Some of them were imperial palatines or otherwise very powerful, e.g. palatine of hungary.
I know that there are MODs out there that already fixes some of this (I have one myself, and there is HIP that also does a good job), but e.g. title modding only works so well if e.g. a theocracy switches to take the title, and it kind of should be supported by the base game. It would be cool to see more nuanced titles, and while at it, also throw in margraves, marquis, march, etc. For flavour.