I saw something in my current game, that I found odd. One of my counts managed to get herself a vassal.
Is that now possible in 1.03??
Is that now possible in 1.03??
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I think its a bug. I've seen it before in a game I played last week, but it only happened once.
Counts are not supposed to have vassals and 99% of the time, they don't. Sometimes, though, the game thinks they do.
For maximum fun, play as the King of Sicily in later scenarios. You can pledge allegiance to other kings, and have Dukes as vassals. It is, in a word, screwy.
Counts are not supposed to have vassals and 99% of the time, they don't. Sometimes, though, the game thinks they do.
For maximum fun, play as the King of Sicily in later scenarios. You can pledge allegiance to other kings, and have Dukes as vassals. It is, in a word, screwy.
Sure sounds like a bug...but I've never seen one like this.
What dynasty where you playing, and which scenario?
What dynasty where you playing, and which scenario?
I was Poland, starting in 1066.
My count of Livs (before I was able to secure him a duchy) gave away Osel. The resulting count was his vassal.
Even weirder. Gave Livs the Duke of Livonia title. Go fight the Horde and half of Livonia is annexed. The problem resurfaced when I started handing titles back out. Same area. Same lands.
My count of Livs (before I was able to secure him a duchy) gave away Osel. The resulting count was his vassal.
Even weirder. Gave Livs the Duke of Livonia title. Go fight the Horde and half of Livonia is annexed. The problem resurfaced when I started handing titles back out. Same area. Same lands.
In my present MP game (as Prince of Pskov) one of my Count vassals took a province (due to the sudden death of my ruler), and promptly gave it away to a Pagan, who is now his vassal.
Secret Master said:
That's almost beyond weird. I've never seen anything like it, but then I tend to play orthodox powers more often than not...so I'm guessing this might be a problem for catholic dynasties only (either that, or I've been quite lucky).
Zander said:
Hmmm...I do wonder if that might be the problem. What religion's was your count's count Secret Master? Since you called him count I'm betting he was catholic, but this being a particular part of the map where pagans might well appear, it would be interesting if he had the "pagan problem" in common with Zander's guy.
Hmm...I hope this is just a problem with a vassal of the same "rank" being of another religion...that'd probably be easier to fix.
I played a 1.03b game as the Count of Chernigov. I launched an offensive against the Cuman tribe and much to my suprise, each conquered land was automatically given to my steward. The steward became my vassal, however he refused to hand the land titles back when ordered to do so. Even worse, the conquered land areas covered a Duke title which my steward ofcourse promptly created for himself to gain independence. I wasn't very happy to say the least. 
I have not been able to recreate the bug later.
I have not been able to recreate the bug later.
Sera said:I played a 1.03b game as the Count of Chernigov. I launched an offensive against the Cuman tribe and much to my suprise, each conquered land was automatically given to my steward. The steward became my vassal, however he refused to hand the land titles back when ordered to do so. Even worse, the conquered land areas covered a Duke title which my steward ofcourse promptly created for himself to gain independence. I wasn't very happy to say the least.
I have not been able to recreate the bug later.
That may well not be a bug, at least not in part. Who was commanding the army that conquered those provinces was your steward, than that part is WAD (working as designed)...but if that wasn't the case, then there's a problem...and the rest sounds a bit bug-like regardless of how he gained the provinces.
That's not a bug at all.Sera said:I played a 1.03b game as the Count of Chernigov. I launched an offensive against the Cuman tribe and much to my suprise, each conquered land was automatically given to my steward. The steward became my vassal, however he refused to hand the land titles back when ordered to do so. Even worse, the conquered land areas covered a Duke title which my steward ofcourse promptly created for himself to gain independence. I wasn't very happy to say the least.
I have not been able to recreate the bug later.
In non christian lands, whoever is commanding the army and liberating the province will get the title.
In this case: Your Steward.
Where was your ruler ? Sitting home and waiting for his knights to do the work ? Well, they thought better of it ! :rofl:
Cat
Don't remember, Gothmog. It was too long ago and I don't have a save. And it was pretty chaotic after we started fighting the Horde. Provinces changed hands alot and there were a ton of displaced families. Maybe the count did hand out a title to a pagan in his court?Gothmog said:
I myself was/is playing as Prince of Ryazan in 1066...and sadly when I killed off yet another sheikdom, my ruler was seriously wounded and my courtiers took the lands ...
I am not sure if my existing vassal (the countess who gained a vassal) actually joined in the fun and took one province for herself (and then gave it away to a vassal) or if it was one of my commanders that took the province only to become her vassal for some reason.
I am not sure if my existing vassal (the countess who gained a vassal) actually joined in the fun and took one province for herself (and then gave it away to a vassal) or if it was one of my commanders that took the province only to become her vassal for some reason.
Because a count could not have vassals.Secret Master said:
The fact that counts are getting vassal is a bug.
We should be in the bug forum really.
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Hey ! We are now !
Cat
Secret Master said:
Sounds quite likely to me...I've seen that many times in the black sea regions...only never with a count, only with Princes.
If someone is leading your army when you are sieging a heathen province, they will take it for their own countship. If you are a count, as of 1.03b, they will STILL be your vassal. Just happened to me today.
Cagliostro said:
And I take it your new vassal was a Christian? If he was, then there might be more of a problem.