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Originally posted by Lunar
Couldn't one side just use the RUS tag or are we going to have a three-way civil war?

Well, it isn't going to be 3-way, but it depends on the circumstances. If the game is being played by a Chinese or DPRK player, the Civil war will be Demo-vs-Commie, and if the game is being played by anybody else in the world, it will be Mili-vs-Demo.
 

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Originally posted by MartyWolf
Well, it isn't going to be 3-way, but it depends on the circumstances. If the game is being played by a Chinese or DPRK player, the Civil war will be Demo-vs-Commie, and if the game is being played by anybody else in the world, it will be Mili-vs-Demo.

What is your reasoning?
 

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Originally posted by Lunar
What is your reasoning?

Sorry to ask, but what is this supposed to mean?

I guess this is my reasoning;
Well, it isn't going to be 3-way, but it depends on the circumstances. If the game is being played by a Chinese or DPRK player, the Civil war will be Demo-vs-Commie, and if the game is being played by anybody else in the world, it will be Mili-vs-Demo
 

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Originally posted by MartyWolf
Sorry to ask, but what is this supposed to mean?

I guess this is my reasoning:

I mean...why have the government be commie if the player is commie, but not if they are US? What's the point? I'm sure there is one, I just don't understand.

And also, I don't think we need two tags for the Russian rebels. We can change the government type of a single tag.
 

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Well, because A Chinese/DPRK player will be able to choose if he would want to support a Communist Revoltion in Russia.

But the AI does something completely different? I think it would be better just to stick with the military dictatorship.
 

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Ok I would like to get a full list of tag changes down before I finish up the map conversions so lets get a list of country changes going.

Personally I agree to some extent about getting rid of Africa but I would like a less extreme version of some of the changes proposed. First Africa gives up to 22 extra tags and I would not like to take out Central America. I think potential for conflict amongst the nations in that aria would provide enough reason to keep this region in game.

Also what about some European action in Africa? Aside from the fact I was looking forward to reinstitution colonialism in Africa :D some nations in Africa could provide a good place for the CTF to play around in until the big war starts, Like the French in Ivory Coast today.

So far here are 20 tags from Africa that can go

Senegal
Guinea
Sierra Leone
Liberia
Ghana
Cote d Ivore
Nigeria
Cameroon
Gabon
Congo
Dem Rep of Congo
Angola
Namibia
Botswana
Zambia
Mozambique
Tanzania
Kenya
Somalia
Ethiopia

Plus two more that I would like to keep in.

Sudan- could be a place where the US can take the war on terrorism. Sudan has some terrorist links and since N Korea and I believe Iran will have to wait until the war with China to get theirs the Sudan could provide a place to spread out US forces.

Zimbabwe- has a very bad relation with the EU and especially Britain as of late due to human rights abuses. A joint British, South African intervention is not wholly improbable and also could provide some action in the early part of the game.


Also I understand Bhutan but really what can Nauru add to the game it couldn’t raise 1 division of infantry. Do you really think the war will get that far? The Philippines maybe but I don’t think China is going to get to far at sea.

Anyway I already have a tag for Military Russia set aside and I think I have made my opinion on a communist Russia clear but as long as its only available thru choice and not part of the main storyline I guess its ok. So list your choices for these nations I have listed first then we can discuss further changes.
 

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Well, I think Nauru is more strategically located than Senegal is, simply as a conquerable country that you have to DOW. I think it is entirely possible that a Successful Chinese player would be able to make it out to sea, and since the war is in the Pacific, it might be good to simply fill out the Pacific. I don't feel strongly about this, this is just my inclination at this time.

I DO think we need East Timor though, heh. Indonesia is just dying to reconquer them.
 

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Hard to have a civil war in a country only one province big! Besides, a civil war would take up two tags instead of just one.

Nigeria probably wouldn't get involved in a war, their tech would prevent them from making a difference, and they are far from the action. BUT, they do have over 100 billion GDP and over 100 million population, so it might be good to add them.

Regarding European action, we can just create something elseware or in North Africa.
 

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Nauru just an example it or any other islands in that aria are completely useless on their own ( at least some of Africa can provide resources on the world market ) and there are plenty of other islands nearby that are already in game and just as strategically located like Guam or New Guinea. The Solomon’s may be a good choice but surly we can find a better use for those tags ( some 4-5 to fill out the islands ) thru side wars in Africa or as revolters.