Country "degeneration". could it be a thing?

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I like this idea, but its a thing for ck - EU timeframe, that could indeed make world look slightly less stupid.

However In XIX century this "degenerated" Country would rather break apart


I am no expet in coding games, but this, i think, could be created with a new kind of core province, a "super core" or "heart core".

These super core provinces could fixed hard coded ( or very hard to change) and represent the very core of a nation.

Any nation would need to control of at least one of its "heart core" province, if it looses all of them it comes under great risk of colapsing as a nation, other provinces turning to states of their own "heart core".


For example, lets say the USA heart core were the east cost provinces.

If the USA looses all of the east coast, the rest of the country might colapse into other nations, maybe nations around indian tribes
 

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Its an interesting question. It also depends on how centralised the nation is, and how cohesive its 'cores' are. France, for example, could probably survive as a rump if it lost Paris somehow, with an exile government perhaps setting up in somewhere like Marseilles or Bordeaux. They'd probably fall into extreme unrest and poverty would skyrocket in the ensuing chaos, but the French wouldn't stop being the French. The French state wouldn't cease to exist. Even if the French were driven out of France, there's a good chance of French colonial regimes clinging on, although those could then splinter into different states.

There could perhaps be some kind of 'state gravity' mechanic, where the peripheral regions are only held together by the nation or empire's core being stable enough. If things deteriorate too badly at home, you could start to lose protectorates as rival administrations set themselves up, and eventually the whole thing could just splinter and collapse into a bunch of successor states. That's not even getting into revolts by native peoples now that there is no centrally maintained army and navy to prevent such things from happening.

I'd like to contrast France to, say, Austria losing Austria or the Ottomans losing Istanbul. But I realise that I don't know as much about Eastern Europe during this period as I'd like to, so others will have to take up the mantle while I do some belated research.
 

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There are other historical examples.

Carthage started as a phoenician colony. After the phoencians colapsed, carthage still went on and turned into a big player in the med, until scipio africanus.
I think Phoenician colonies were less like 19th century colonies and more like ancient Greek colonies in that they were a distant trading outpost that the founding city stayed close to but held no real authority over. In that case Carthage is less a Phoenician remnant and more like Canada.
 
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The only real example of this around the game's timeframe is Portugal during the Napoleonic wars, but they never permanently became Brazil and returned to Portugal shortly thereafter. The timeframe of Victoria isn't really suitable for this sort of thing happening.
 

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The only real example of this around the game's timeframe is Portugal during the Napoleonic wars, but they never permanently became Brazil and returned to Portugal shortly thereafter. The timeframe of Victoria isn't really suitable for this sort of thing happening.
The game’s timeframe includes the partitions after WWI.
 

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