Countries which can do WC without cheats

[unmerged(28592)]

So, if you want to do a world conquest, which country or countries is doable in your opinion?
In my experience, this is valid.
Any addons to that?
And how do you rank the countries?

Cheats: I allow myself to alter the slidersat beginning, nothing else.
Allies allowed (except those in alliance from the beginning):

-As China (any) Japan.
-As Japan, Nat China as puppet.
As Germany/Italy the Balkan states and Italy/Germany.
My list:
1. USA
Industrial power number 1, good manpower, good tech teams.
No big drawbacks really.
2. Germany
Best allround tech teams, good manpower (especially if you use ministerbonuses), the manpower can be an issue though.
Good IC.
3. USSR
The big red blob.
Good IC, really good manpower, ok techteams, but not as good as those other top 5 has, bad initial Navy+ techs.
4. U.K. and Japan.
Yes, can't separate them.
Quite similar both in MP and IC. Both have good tech teams, UK a bit better in allround terms, both need to build IC to compete with the top 3.
Both have a good initial Navy and techs.
Manpower can be an issue though.
6. China, both Nat and Com.
Best manpower of them all, worst tech teams of them all.
Though, after beating Japan you can just go West and conquer everything, since neither USSR, the Allies and the Axies can withstand your MP-pool in the long run. Just wear them out.
Conquering America can be a bit tricky though, and there is where the allying Japan option is tempting. Japan will eventually accept an alliance proposal, especially if you have 200 relations, and Japan is loosing against the USA/Allies.
8. France
If you can survive and conquer Germany and Italy, France will really become
a major power, with holdings around the world.
Manpower is an issue, but will grow after Germany and Italy is conquered.
Dull tech teams, you need to plan your research to keep up with others.

9. Italy
IC is an issue, manpower is an issue, good strategical position in the start.
A challenge to play, due to the wide selection of strategies to choose, and notably weaker than the top 8 in almost every area, but has a very good potential if handled correctly.

Apart from the above countries I don't see other countries with WC as a realistic goal, without major cheating. I have tried Brazil and Spain, but the national manpower is simply too low to challenge for WC in the long run.

 

[Spacehusky]

Germany is laughably easy to WC with. USSR is possibly easier but it has tech issues and so is probably slower to reach world conquest. Allowing yourself to alter the sliders at the beginning is a bit ridiculous, because it turns the U.S. into a WC cakewalk instead of being harder due to the huge dissent you wrack up.

Honestly pretty much any power in the hands of a decent player can do WC if you have the patience.

 

[Gurath]

Brazil is a possibilty, try it with Argentina then try Brazil, if you can hold South America against the allies with Argentina, taking the world with Brazil is alot easier. (though no cake-walk)

Weak IC / Manpower / Techs, but its position is such that it can take over Venezuela and Bolivia to give it all the resources needed to trade with the axis, keeping a constant 2-3 IC build with ALOT of tac bombers / Air Bases spread out throughout S america (needed incase of allied invasion) and just steadily conquering up through the americas into the US. Once the US is gone, it is a cake-walk.

 

[Andri]

You can pretty much wc the world with any nation in the game if you play it right

 

[Steg]

The US is a bit harder than the USSR and Germany because all it's enemies are overseas so they have to be ferried over and they have poor supply efficiency.

I've only done it as the USSR (too easy) and Germany before, but I've seen someone do it with Nationalist Spain

 

[DarthJF]

It's not true WC if you have allies left! I think Germany and US are about equally easy. USSR is a close third one due to it's crappy naval techs.

I've never done WC myself, though in a couple German games it would have been pretty easy to do it after bitter peace and annexing both Britain and US.

 

[unmerged(32135)]

Done it as Italy. Manpower was more the issue than IC/TC. I *think* I could do it as Nationalist Spain, but the manpower limitiation is even worse.

-- Beppo

 

[wiguy]

I did it with Poland. If you can take Germany, it's actually pretty easy. Both Spains should be possible. I think I've seen a WC with Greece somewhere too. Sweden might be possible. What about Mexico (spamming cavalry to take on the US early)? I've seen Guangxi Clique take on the world in an AAR.

It depends on what kind of rules you're playing with. I allow myself allies, but they must be defeated later on. No MC of allies, no puppets. All other gameyness I can think of is allowed Also, for me, Doomsday is a must. I can't do it before '48 unless I play with USA/GER/SOV. Also, naval techs aren't that important IMO. When you get five tech teams you can keep TAC, INF, army doctrines and a few extras up to speed anyway. You won't get a modern navy, but enough to make a few landings if planned well.

 

[unmerged(3221)]

My world conquest rules are:

no allies
no puppets
no nukes
no spying on others though you can protect yourself

Done it twice as Germany in a 1936 normal/normal game. Trying SOV now.

 

[unmerged(76495)]

I believe nearly all powers can be used to create a WC with on n/n, heres why

Theres someone who made a czech AAR that came danm close to close to WC before the Author ended it ( (west) germany and russia had been released as puppets ). Theres also a Tibetan AAR that ended with the conquest of the japanese home island. But the position was so strong that a WC should clearly be possible.

Both of those were IIRC without any cheats, although something tells me the czech might have changed some of his sliders to begin with. I cant remember.

 

[Creslin]

Suprising large amount of countries that on a continental mass can do world conquest. Most of countries on mainland Europe can do it easily because they all have reasonable IC to start with and located in area you can profit lots from pre-programmed warfare.

I beat up Axis and marched pass Ural as Switzerland before I got bored of that particular game in late 40s as an example. The initial years are boring as hell, I just build IC and accumerlate manpower, this would apply to a lot of minors. A decent player should have at least 30 countries that can achieve world domination in 1940s. Where if you give yourself more time to accumerlate IC and manpower, even more countries can achieve that.

All the examples I mentioned should be considered as on normal difficulty and without any cheating like slider move, add additional core etc.

The biggest issue I had with true minor start off are manpower, countries on continental mass can solve that by conquering. Some countries like Spain, Turkey are really not true minors but rather middling with reasonable IC and manpower, world conquest with them is actually relatively easy.

 

[unmerged(110676)]

With full IC takeover it's very easy. With Panama I struck north To mexico, took at the USA when they were weak and then headed into South America. With the Americas secured (Apart from Canada), I sided with the Germans. Invaded Ireland and the UK, Canada went, war in the pacific meant the end of NZ and AUS under me. By 1944 the war was won with a German victory. I left the Axis and took on Japan. By 1946 I had taken China and India from them. The home isles also fell in early 1947.

The rest of the war was a cakewalk. With a massive amount of IC, I declared war on the axis and the Soviet Union. It took only until 1950. I attacked Europe in 3 directions- Scandinavia, Italy and Spain. The German AI could not cope and collapsed.

 

[Lord Finnish]

You can do WC with Spain Armageddon 1.2.

Start with South America, then take Europe with Germany (without allying), then you can go after Allies, since USA will DoW you sooner or later. In worst case as soon as you land in Venezuela.

I've conquered all Central-Southern America as Spain and would've got USA but lost the save.

In WC, time is not a problem. 1964 is far longer than you need as any potential power. With being patient, you can do it with any country that can be dictatorship and/or has potential army.

 

[Laurwin]

never done a WC, once came close as germany, just couldnt bother to annex soviet union or the south american countries. oh and japan was super strong as I (quite stupidly) kept feeding them blueprints for everything useful. But yea ive annexed the SU once i think, I actually accepted BP, but I had taken like romania into my alliance, so they decided to dow SU again after like a week

Id imagine that a strong japan which holds entire china would be a bitch to eradicate even as germany. (especially since i almost always ally with them historically)

 

[Sarganto]

We should maybe make a list with countries, that CAN'T do WC.

I'll start:
1. Haiti

 

[unmerged(105771)]

Try Luxembourg for WC :rofl:

 

[Skarion]

Sweden.

Takes time and is hard, but very much plausible at least on N/N (I took over half of earth before my harddrive crashed, early screenshot can be found here: http://img528.imageshack.us/img528/831/englandpd3.jpg ).

 

[unmerged(110676)]

We should maybe make a list with countries, that CAN'T do WC.

I'll start:
1. Haiti

Very easy. Kill Dominican republic, get a transport and from then on it's easy peasy.

 

[midget_roxx]

I've tried as Argentina but I always had general issues and Usa had actually garriosned. So is it possible to get more generals ro do you just fight with a ridiculous OCL?

 

[Sarganto]

Very easy. Kill Dominican republic, get a transport and from then on it's easy peasy.

Pics or it can't happen.