Countries produce way too many units.

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Is there a way I could change the way countries (mainly Europeans) produce units? Even the smallest nations like The Netherlands, Belgium, Ireland have a big army. And countries like Germany, France, and Austria have a huge massive army. It slows down the game a bit and they're not even in any wars.. So does anybody know of a way to change that on the files perhaps? Thanks!

 

[Gamera]

hummm, didn't dig that much, but stupidly, I'd say you could change the "global manpower modifier" in the static modifiers...

go to Europa Universalis III/common/static_modifiers.txt

Then halfway through the file, you'll find the #Global Static Modifiers# section.
at "base values", just add global_manpower_modifier = -0.5 --> that will decrease manpower by 50%, hence reducing effectively the size of armies.

 

[Ranger Blue]

Lowering force limits would probably be a better idea, although I have no idea how you'd go about this, and it may cause some problems with very small nations and/or dealing with large rebel stacks.

 

[Slym]

Yeah, just lowering manpower wouldn't reduce the size of standing armies, it would just remove the ability for countries to fight protracted wars or deal with large numbers of rebels. You would have to change a lot of numbers to make it still balanced. Lower forcelimits, lower supply limits, less manpower, fewer rebels per base tax, more expensive units (to keep the economies in check), etc. etc.

It's certianly possible, but it's not an easy fix.

 

[Mods]

Is there a way I could change the way countries (mainly Europeans) produce units? Even the smallest nations like The Netherlands, Belgium, Ireland have a big army. And countries like Germany, France, and Austria have a huge massive army. It slows down the game a bit and they're not even in any wars.. So does anybody know of a way to change that on the files perhaps? Thanks!

Are you talking about Victoria 2 by any chance? Belgium isn't even in the game, Netherlands is rare and Germany is pretty much only formed by the player.

 

[Felicity]

I personally think Belgium should have more units.

 

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Are you talking about Victoria 2 by any chance? Belgium isn't even in the game, Netherlands is rare and Germany is pretty much only formed by the player.

Nope, EU3. I made the nation of Belgium myself.
Thanks for the help guys.
Slym, I'll do as you said although I really didn't have any idea of how complicated it would turn out. Many thanks!

 

[Hootieleece]

Mampower was nerfed in the 5.2 Beta patch.

Many players think that the patch went to far.(Especially for Multi-player)

It does make playing an OPM hard at the start of a Grand Campaign, but if you learn How to cope with the reduced MP it make for a better experience.

Biggest change is that Manpower Pool takes 10 YEARS to Refill.(Instead of 2)

The patch also improves Naval Combat also.

 

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I changed everything Slym mentioned and it worked. The Austrian Empire has a lot less units. Ireland has less. But just Brandenburg (Germany) It has less but still an impossible amount of men for those times. Changing the "global manpower modifier" is part of the process but doesn't help by itself. Anyway, many thanks to all!

 

[ajsciri4]

I've always found it ridiculous too. Even in the late 1700s, five thousand soldiers was a large regional standing army, and most players have several stacks of 30k waiting around at that point.

 

[Slym]

I think the issue is that having a large standing army at 0 maintenance is a viable alternative to just hiring more units when you go to war, which is what most countries did during the time period.

 

[StephenT]

I've always found it ridiculous too. Even in the late 1700s, five thousand soldiers was a large regional standing army, and most players have several stacks of 30k waiting around at that point.

Um...no.

• In 1748 the French army was 474,000 strong. Marshal Saxe led 120,000 French troops into the Austrian Netherlands in a single stack.
• Prussia had 193,000 men in its army during Frederick the Great's reign.
• In 1796, Napoleon's Army of Italy - which was a minor and neglected part of the French army before he took over - was 37,000 strong, but two months later had been reinforced to 50,000 strong. France also had two separate armies fighting in Germany at the same time, with a total of about 240,000 men overall.

In other words, real-world armies were about a hundred times larger than you say.

 

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Russia by half of XIX century got biggest army in the world, which was over 1 milon men. Problem is, that when i play MP i often see players having 1 milon men armies, or 2 milon men armies. Anyway i think that it would be not impossible if certain countries would develop enough, and conquer more than they conquered historicaly, for them, to have bigger armies.

Anyway another fact : Russia in 1681 got around 100.000 men army. In 1699 Peter the Great reformed the army, but wiki does not say how big it became.

EDIT: During great northern war, peter the great Had about 200.000 men army used, so i suppose, his whole army COULD be 300k-500k men, however it is only estimation of mine.

 

[ajsciri4]

Um...no.

• In 1748 the French army was 474,000 strong. Marshal Saxe led 120,000 French troops into the Austrian Netherlands in a single stack.
• Prussia had 193,000 men in its army during Frederick the Great's reign.
• In 1796, Napoleon's Army of Italy - which was a minor and neglected part of the French army before he took over - was 37,000 strong, but two months later had been reinforced to 50,000 strong. France also had two separate armies fighting in Germany at the same time, with a total of about 240,000 men overall.

In other words, real-world armies were about a hundred times larger than you say.

Oops.
Sorry.
I was using the United States as an example from my course textbook, and in 1800 they only had about 3,000 soldiers in a standing army. Silly me.

 

[StephenT]

Anyway another fact : Russia in 1681 got around 100.000 men army. In 1699 Peter the Great reformed the army, but wiki does not say how big it became.

The Russian army was 168,000 strong in 1705, 200,000 strong in 1710, and 409,000 strong a century later in 1812. Sweden's army was 110,000 in 1700, although nearly half of that was mercenaries or allied contingents.

For most of the EU3 period France had by far the largest army in Europe.

 

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The Russian army was 168,000 strong in 1705, 200,000 strong in 1710, and 409,000 strong a century later in 1812. Sweden's army was 110,000 in 1700, although nearly half of that was mercenaries or allied contingents.

For most of the EU3 period France had by far the largest army in Europe.

Well not for the first one hundred years, because by then biggest armies were propably polish-lithuanian AND golden horde armies(golden horde armies DID contained about 100.000 men in total - but golden horde was something like late game prussia - what i mean is : an army that have a country)(if we talk about the european armies), but then in XV century france was quite weak, and atb. losing hundred years war.

 

[Slym]

Oops.
Sorry.
I was using the United States as an example from my course textbook, and in 1800 they only had about 3,000 soldiers in a standing army. Silly me.

The US didn't need a large standing army, being seperated from pretty much everyone by the Atlantic. The US was pretty lax about keeping a large standing army even up to the Korean war.