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Board games? I always hated those.
I use counters becouse it feels more authentic, it feels more like i am general playing with soldiers -:blink: i mean commanding troops. Irresponsi - NO:blink:, i mean responsibly :unsure:
I am not sure if i use models in HOI4, but i disliked them in HOI3, i was fine with them in Victoria 2 and March of The Eagles tough, if they would add counters to those games (why would they?!), i would still use models.
 

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Well we know how much counters mean to you guys and we both know and respect that, but starting yet a new thread about old features/content/etc without even have seen the new game makes me and probably darkrenown + rest of the team a bit tired and sad.
Of course you should point out what you think is faulty/wrong in previous games but do not make it to an eternal occurring thread with nothing new in it. Then it is just better to wait a bit and get some concrete info and then complain/praise/feedback as much as you want, and i assure you guys we read almost everything.

By no means do I want to make anyone sad Guraan but I think this will be an issue as we get more information new people will join the forums and ask questions or raise hell about things that have already been answered so perhaps a sticky FAQ thread will help? I know there is an unofficial wiki page that wonderful people keep updated but it might help to have an official thread so as development gets further along and decisions are made people can check there before posting silly threads (though this will still happen I'm sure :sad: but perhaps to a lesser degree)
 

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Whenever I play Hoi3 I have counters when I zoom out, but sprites when I zoom in. The counters are much more useful though as sprites don't tell you a whole lot. With sprites you actually have to investigate the units in a province to actually get a feel for how strong your forces are. Counters definitely save time by giving you more information.
 

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5) For the nth time, HoI4 will have counters. Jeez.
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I know you said they are in the game....but can we PLEASE HAVE THEM IN THE GAME?!?!?!? PLEEEEEEEAS!!!!! Put them in the game all you want, but that's not gonna stop me from pointing out that all/none/many/few of the user base use counters and that you should stop arguing with me and put them in the game. I mean seriously, declaring that counters are gonna be in the game only makes me want them more because I cannot have them in the game that they are gonna be in. If you don't put them in the game, after having sworn blood oaths to put them in, I'm going to jump out of my 3rd floor apartment window wearing an IKEA shirt and have my girlfriend post it on youtube.

So, for the nth time....can you please just put counters in the game?!?!?!????!!!!

:p
 

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Well we know how much counters mean to you guys and we both know and respect that, but starting yet a new thread about old features/content/etc without even have seen the new game makes me and probably darkrenown + rest of the team a bit tired and sad.
Of course you should point out what you think is faulty/wrong in previous games but do not make it to an eternal occurring thread with nothing new in it. Then it is just better to wait a bit and get some concrete info and then complain/praise/feedback as much as you want, and i assure you guys we read almost everything.

The confusion on whether or not there will be counters is based on the division builder.

It was already stated that there would be counters available for use on the map as there have been in every other version of HOI.

A few have asked for there to also be batallion level counters used inside the division buildier instead of generic icons. It was in response to this point that Podcat said "maybe" to counters.
 

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If counters are not in, I'm out.

I'm with you. I won't buy the game without counters (and sure won't pay extra for them as DLC).
 

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I am one of those guys, who actually purchased a bunch of spritepacks and is only playing with counters .... Donno why.
I have done the same!

I have taken it a bit further you can see all the P-dox games i have purchased, and yet almost every single one of them i have not played more then 5 minutes simply due to the lack of counters.

It wasnt my intention really to simply continue a closed thread, in fact i didnt even read the whole thread tbh, perhaps i shouldnt have used the quote..but counters has always been a sensitive subject. Several times it has been brought up in this thread by P-dox people to basically wait until you see the map, etc... before rushing to judgement... This is key to why i made the post essentially. To me it doesnt matter, doesnt matter if the map is the greatest most detailed map in the world, it doesnt matter that its HOI4 and not an xpac of HOI3. I have never seen anything more ridiculous in my life then a map with a giant toy soldier sticking out of it. This is simply an opinion issue. As i have stated i bought many pdox games and never play any of them, because they dont have counters. They may be the greatest game in the world, ill never know. For me strategic level games should be played with counters, end of story. I know many feel the same. I myself personally know 9 players of HOI3, none use sprites. Now i know someone does, maybe alot, even most, i wont profess to know, just stating my opinions. I really like the ideas of Aod and DH, but cant stand the maps, and sprites. I personally dont play HOI3 mods because they typically change the maps and counters of the vanilla game, which imo are "perfect" for gaming. If it was a perfect world for me HOI4 would use the exact same map and counters as HOI3. I feel too often in gaming there is a need to change things for the sake of changing things.

I was just taken aback by the even consideration of no counters which caused me to start this thread. There are very few games i still play (some very old) i would hate to lose another. IN fact i waited patiently and aniously for 2 P-dox games to even launch that never did, first off im hoping this game actually comes to market, then ill hope the sprites are in it (and the maps arent too bad, i didnt like any of the screens of EvW at all).

I truly enjoy what i am seeing from most of the developers diaries at this time btw. :)
 

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In that case it was the maps more then anything (i also simply didnt like some of the screens and their appearance). Im very particular, i like what i like. I love the look and feel of HOI3. I could deal with most other issues, but counters are a deal breaker for me.
 

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I'm with you. I won't buy the game without counters (and sure won't pay extra for them as DLC).

But the game will have counters.
Didn't you read what Darkrenown wrote?
 

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But the game will have counters.
Didn't you read what Darkrenown wrote?

Yes there will be counters on day one and not part of some DLC.

The part that might come later and might be in a DLC instead of a patch would be battalion level counters for use on the division builder screen.
 

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Well we know how much counters mean to you guys and we both know and respect that, but starting yet a new thread about old features/content/etc without even have seen the new game makes me and probably darkrenown + rest of the team a bit tired and sad.
Of course you should point out what you think is faulty/wrong in previous games but do not make it to an eternal occurring thread with nothing new in it. Then it is just better to wait a bit and get some concrete info and then complain/praise/feedback as much as you want, and i assure you guys we read almost everything.
But if something already in... it is very little hope that you will change it. Especially if it requires a lot of work. Or requires significant changes in this direction. So perhaps it is better if people are worried in advance and express their concerns until it is possible to change something at the initial stage.
 
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