Counters

[21oliver]

Personally, I think counter-users are a minority. Perhaps it can be one of the stats we track and we'll know for sure.

was quoted by Podcat in a closed thread i just read. Maybe they can track it, i dont know. I know for sure that we on the forum are likely the minority as there are probably countless "casual" gamers out there who play the game (which Paradox must also appease). That all being said at least in my experiences on the HOI3 thread, using just the posters there i would say that counter users are easily 90% of the posters (if not higher). Typically if anyone mentions sprites they tend to get abused some. I think thats because the forum members are mostly older veteran gamers (with ties back to boardgaming).

Just adding my two cents. 1) I am avidly looking forward to the expansion and 2) I will not purchase it if counters aren't immediately available at point of sale.

We can hope, and see how things turn out.

:blink:

 

[Holy.Death]

I found models to be horrible when compared to counters, so I used counters (even though the NATO counters are far worse than modified ones, in my opinion, and it was hard to understand their meaning at first, which might be prime reason for most people using models over counter). I simply didn't see the models in style of CK2 or EU4 fitting into the war game style. Unless we talk about figurines. I would use small figurines above all other possibilities.

 

[Poh]

of the people i know irl i think im the only one that uses counters maybe theres one more. Both of us started out in HoI2 and might be more strategy gamers than the rest i know that play HoI3. So i would also assume that most people use sprites though the people clocking the most hours avg. would be the counter users i imagine.

In HoI3 i have always been a little split between sprites and counters. Mainly because i think sea and air units look so much better as sprites than counters. Having sea and air as sprites and land units as counters would be the optimal setting for me in HoI3.
Regarding HoI4 because theres less "type" upgrades (for tanks that we know of) it will be easier to have properly matching sprites. Depending on how sprites are implemented (what they show, how precise they are etc.) and how the new game features impact the sprite vs counter im not 100% sure i wont use sprites. But atm im most for counters atleast for the land units.

 

[Leadfingers]

I can't say strongly enough how important counters are, over sprites. Certainly, offer sprites to those that want them, but don't force them on all of us.

 

[SFSLovenought]

I'm not sure how people are supposed to reply to this.
Was there a question somewhere in your post that I missed?

 

[ringhloth]

I'm not sure how people are supposed to reply to this.
Was there a question somewhere in your post that I missed?

Do threads need to have questions in them?

 

[DPKdebator]

what no counters





I've always used counters, the models are pretty ugly.

 

[Art1985]

NATO counters only, I tried to use the models, horrible experience. Quite uncomfortable and uninformative models overlap each other on the map and you can not understand what is happening. NATO counters most convenient and informative.

 

[Guraan]

Well "counters" is a sensitive subject for most it seems. But remember that hoi4 is not hoi3 and perhaps until unit-map-representation is revealed you guys are more or less jumping to conclusions based on nothing? Patience is a virtue O

 

[Mannstien]

I was thinking of developing a game called

 

[Wulf145]

Well "counters" is a sensitive subject for most it seems. But remember that hoi4 is not hoi3 and perhaps until unit-map-representation is revealed you guys are more or less jumping to conclusions based on nothing? Patience is a virtue O

Though you are correct with respect to us jumping to conclusions, please take into Account that there are quite a few Players of the series that are very Fond of using counters, myself included.

 

[Darkrenown]

1) Don't make new make new threads to continue closed threads.
2) It was me that said what the OP quotes, not Podcat.
3) Why are people so obsessed with my opinion that counter users are a minority? A) It's an opinion only, not something that affects the game. B) It's impossible to prove or disprove as there's no data either way - hence why I expressed the hope of being able to track it in HoI4.
4) Clearly some people must use "sprites" (or more accurately, models), otherwise no one would have bought the various spritepacks we made for HoI3.
5) For the nth time, HoI4 will have counters. Jeez.
6) Apparently I am a "casual" because I use models over counters. Good to know I am not really a Paradox fan or something.

 

[Sir Pellew]

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4) Clearly some people must use "sprites" (or more accurately, models), otherwise no one would have bought the various spritepacks we made for HoI3.
...

I am one of those guys, who actually purchased a bunch of spritepacks and is only playing with counters .... Donno why. Wanted to see the Bismarck and my PzKW IV on the map, but never changed settings somehow

 

[SFSLovenought]

4) Clearly some people must use "sprites" (or more accurately, models), otherwise no one would have bought the various spritepacks we made for HoI3.

I bought them just to support you Darkrenown-Sama!:wub:

 

[Poh]

4) Clearly some people must use "sprites" (or more accurately, models), otherwise no one would have bought the various spritepacks we made for HoI3.

I have a fair bit of the sprite packs though i never used them. The idea of sprites are imho good, though in HoI3 i think the land sprites are suboptimal compared to counters. Look forward to seeing how the "system" has changed in this regard.

6) Apparently I am a "casual" because I use models over counters. Good to know I am not really a Paradox fan or something.

shame on you i think its awesome that theres both sprites and counter as its gives two different feels and for many are a major change to the game which doesnt affect gameplay or anything else. The only thing we need is to be able to pick counter/sprites for land/air/sea individually.

 

[Darkrenown]

Stop being weird and buying things you don't use Buy our things. BUY ALL OUR THINGS!

 

[nestorius]

1) Good to know I am not really a Paradox fan or something.

Shocking

 

[Daffius]

I am one of those guys, who actually purchased a bunch of spritepacks and is only playing with counters .... Donno why. Wanted to see the Bismarck and my PzKW IV on the map, but never changed settings somehow

+1

Never used a sprite but have all the sprite packs. I consider it more of a donation than an actual purchase.

 

[Acesandeights]

I keep trying to tell people this was already addressed months ago. It was said shortly after game announcement that they'd be in, but not to expect to see them anytime soon in screen shots.

See here:

we'll have counters. Not because we need them for this time the sprite interface is going to contain just as much information but because some players will want to keep the boardgame feel. I personally used counters in hoi3 but I wont in hoi4 I think. Adding traditional counters is going to be one of the last things we do during beta so dont expect to see them for a long time.

 

[Guraan]

Though you are correct with respect to us jumping to conclusions, please take into Account that there are quite a few Players of the series that are very Fond of using counters, myself included.

Well we know how much counters mean to you guys and we both know and respect that, but starting yet a new thread about old features/content/etc without even have seen the new game makes me and probably darkrenown + rest of the team a bit tired and sad.
Of course you should point out what you think is faulty/wrong in previous games but do not make it to an eternal occurring thread with nothing new in it. Then it is just better to wait a bit and get some concrete info and then complain/praise/feedback as much as you want, and i assure you guys we read almost everything.