The counter-reformation was always a little harsh with the ahistorical tech and idea cost penalties, but now that religious conversion gives -100% missionary strength, the biggest advantage of the counter-reformation is gone. Previously, you could convert protestant/reformed provinces with religious zeal. Now you can't, and i don't feel like the extra missionaries and small papal influence bonus is even close to worth the tech and idea penalties, especially if you have taken religious ideas. I agree with the decision to make religious zeal -100% missionary strength, and I like the fact now that the reformation is very destructive(it was in real life) but the counter-reformation is now only harmful in my opinion.
Some ideas for the bonuses for counter-reformation decision:
- Remove idea and tech penalty and replace it with a economic penalty( ~10% yearly income) as a big part of the reformation was supporting religious orders such as the Jesuits, supporting education, and supporting the arts. (https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Counter-Reformation#Spiritual_movements)
- Reduce time religious zeal is active for protestants/reformed, but drastically reduce tolerance of heretics(-3?) as the counter-reformation supported highly oppressive actions such as the Roman and Spanish inquisitions, and the index of banned books. In exchange remove the base -1 tolerance of heretics from Catholicism as in much of Germany both sides heavily oppressed each other. In another post about Catholicism i saw -5% tech cost was recommended and that seems fair to me. This would encourage smaller Catholic theocracies to stay Catholic even if they couldn't control a large amount of cardinals.
(http://www.pbs.org/empires/medici/renaissance/counter.html)
(http://www.historylearningsite.co.uk/the-counter-reformation/aids-to-the-counter-reformation/)
TL;DR: Remove tech and idea cost, decrease religious zeal time, but lower tolerance of heretics greatly for counter-reformation.
If you disagree, please explain why i want a good discussion
Some ideas for the bonuses for counter-reformation decision:
- Remove idea and tech penalty and replace it with a economic penalty( ~10% yearly income) as a big part of the reformation was supporting religious orders such as the Jesuits, supporting education, and supporting the arts. (https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Counter-Reformation#Spiritual_movements)
- Reduce time religious zeal is active for protestants/reformed, but drastically reduce tolerance of heretics(-3?) as the counter-reformation supported highly oppressive actions such as the Roman and Spanish inquisitions, and the index of banned books. In exchange remove the base -1 tolerance of heretics from Catholicism as in much of Germany both sides heavily oppressed each other. In another post about Catholicism i saw -5% tech cost was recommended and that seems fair to me. This would encourage smaller Catholic theocracies to stay Catholic even if they couldn't control a large amount of cardinals.
(http://www.pbs.org/empires/medici/renaissance/counter.html)
(http://www.historylearningsite.co.uk/the-counter-reformation/aids-to-the-counter-reformation/)
TL;DR: Remove tech and idea cost, decrease religious zeal time, but lower tolerance of heretics greatly for counter-reformation.
If you disagree, please explain why i want a good discussion
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