After it was split into Rus and Ruthenia, it sort of covers the area Novgorod did at one point. It's a bit odd when the "Kingdom of Rus" forms in 1100 and only covers two northern Russian duchies.
Couldn't the de jure realm of Rus be named Novgorod?
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That name would only really make sense if the city of Novgorod was the kingdom's capital. Also I think Novgorod only became the dominant Russian state fairly late in the game's timeframe. A titular Kingdom of Novgorod would be cool, though.
I'm pretty sure the Devs have something of a king-tier Titular Repuiblic of Novgorod in store for us in January, but that's a wild guess.
@Voy: Are you 'pretty sure' or is it a 'wild guess'? Don't 'wild guesses' imply uncertainty?
Maybe expand it to have titular kingdom titles for the major russian principalities (Moscow, Vladimir-Suzdal, Ryazan, Kazan (although I think Kazan is in a separate kingdom already), etc) in case they manage to get two of the duchies. If you could tie it to what holding is your capital.
@Voy: but then it sounds like you're making wild guesses about your own states of mind, such as: "I believe I am pretty sure... or am I not? So here I am, guessing wildly as to my own degree of certainty..." 
Perhaps the other way around ("I am pretty sure it's a wild guess") makes more sense, but then again it something we'd ordinarily say of other people's guesses (and not of our own)
Edit: Ok, that was wildly OT. I will shut up now.
Perhaps the other way around ("I am pretty sure it's a wild guess") makes more sense, but then again it something we'd ordinarily say of other people's guesses (and not of our own)
Edit: Ok, that was wildly OT. I will shut up now.
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Novgorod is a republic in one of the later bookmarks, and seeing how the other Italian republics were given Kingdom status, it's likely that the Republic of Novgorod will be given Kingdom status as well.
As mentioned above, it would be a bit weird to allocate all that land as de jure Novgorod from 1066, when they only came to power late in the game. It's a bit deterministic.
I've never been completely happy with the Ruthenia / Rus split though - seeing 'Ruthenia' on the map every game just seems odd for some reason. But then, I also appreciate that when the area was just one large kingdom of Rus, the Russian principalities always looked a bit of a mess as it was too hard for them to consolidate.
Maybe the Russians could have a dynamic state-naming system like the Muslims do, but tied to the capital province or primary duchy instead of the ruling family. So if Kiev consolidates enough land to get the third-tier Ruthenia title, it is instead called "Kiev". Ditto in the north - if Muscovy claims the whole of Rus, it becomes Muscovy - but if Novgorod takes control, the king-level title is named Novgorod.
Would simulate the fluid power struggles between Russian princes, and for gameplay is possibly better then giving every principality a potential king title just in case.
I've never been completely happy with the Ruthenia / Rus split though - seeing 'Ruthenia' on the map every game just seems odd for some reason. But then, I also appreciate that when the area was just one large kingdom of Rus, the Russian principalities always looked a bit of a mess as it was too hard for them to consolidate.
Maybe the Russians could have a dynamic state-naming system like the Muslims do, but tied to the capital province or primary duchy instead of the ruling family. So if Kiev consolidates enough land to get the third-tier Ruthenia title, it is instead called "Kiev". Ditto in the north - if Muscovy claims the whole of Rus, it becomes Muscovy - but if Novgorod takes control, the king-level title is named Novgorod.
Would simulate the fluid power struggles between Russian princes, and for gameplay is possibly better then giving every principality a potential king title just in case.
That sounds like a really good idea actually, a more dynamic system would be great.
Yes, this sort of a naming system would be perfect. I'm still working on my Russia de jure rejiggling mod, which should finally get rid of Rus and Ruthenia, I hope I can find enough time to finish it in January.
What kind of solutions are there for the Rus area? Feel like starting a game there, especially considering the new Russian DLC.
In classic history Rus Kingdom was named as Rus with soft of end this word. (4 letters on russian word R+U+S+soft letter on end) So historicaly its correct, because its unite states of all rus dutches. I started play with Novgorod Grand Principaly with my own dynasty, and i conquer all rus lands and dutches. After it i was made Grandson of my first char - King of Rus. its right, so no need made Novgorod Kingdom. Its just dutche.
Kingdom setting in the area is wrong and doesn't seem to follow any historical reason. Personally I would combine Kingdoms of Rus and Ruthenia into one Kingdom of Kievan Rus and then if we need second kingdom in the region, then I would split historical Kingdom of Galicia-Volhynia into separate realm.
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I'd rather just have no kingdoms in the Russian area since if you start at the Stamford Bridge start, (like most people) the grand principality of Rostov always seems to form Rus since it has just enough provinces to form a kingdom. This one feature ruins playing as the Russians. Maybe have a very large kingdom of Rus that encompasses all of kievan Rus, so that it actually requires some skill other than saving up a lot of money and piety to form Rus.
In early patches there was one big Kingdom of Rus and I loved it more than the current setup. In fact I haven't played a single game in Russia after the split, because the unhistorical borders of Rus and Ruthenia just ruin it for me. Before that I loved to play in the region, because you had to fight serious wars against your own dynasty to secure the whole Rus. Now there's no challenge, because forming a kingdom is too easy.
Yeah, since in some games I prefer to behave somewhat historically, just for the immersion affect and Rus really ruins it for me. Maybe a dlc could be made where you could choose if you want the AI to act a little more realistic, such as Fatimid's not being total conquering monsters.
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I tend to play a small personal modification (as I like the vanilla game overall) and reverting to a single kingdom of Rus is one of the things I add. It should never have been divided.
In my base mod, I have Ruthenia named Rus and Rus named Novgorod, yes.
The largest 'issue' is that the Duchy of Novgorod often exists side by side with the Kingdom, which looks odd.
I might just do that myself, though I understand why they did it.
The largest 'issue' is that the Duchy of Novgorod often exists side by side with the Kingdom, which looks odd.
I might just do that myself, though I understand why they did it.