could you help me understand this part of the mod ? (event, trigger part)

[juice99]

I'm not sure i understand this trigger, i read some guides here http://www.paradoxian.org/hoi2wiki/index.php/Mods but they are very basic, and nothing about the trigger part. it's from AAR mod, i'm playing as ottoman empire in WW1 and i'm winning the war, but i got the message that i'm not... and i had to surrender... well... so i'm trying to understand this mod (i know how to disable it of course):

	trigger = { 
		random = 20 
		OR = { 
			war = { country = OTT country = ENG } 
			war = { country = OTT country = FRA } 
			war = { country = OTT country = RUS } 
		}
		control = { province = 409 data = OTT }	# Must control Constantinople
		NOT = { control = { province = 1172 data = OTT } } # Jerusalem
		NOT = { control = { province = 1022 data = OTT } } # Amman
		NOT = { control = { province = 900 data = OTT } } # Suez
		NOT = { control = { province = 663 data = OTT } } # Tsaritsyn
		OR = {	# Baghdad, Trabzon or Damascus
			NOT = { control = { province = 1067 data = OTT } } #Trabzon
			NOT = { control = { province = 1034 data = OTT } } #Baghdad
			NOT = { control = { province = 1016 data = OTT } } #Damascus
		}
	}

i'm at war and i have constantinopole, and then i don't understand what is relation between different conditions. default is AND ?
NOT = { control = { province = 1172 data = OTT } } # Jerusalem
NOT = { control = { province = 1022 data = OTT } } # Amman
[...]

means i do not control Jerusalem AND Amman AND Suez AND Tsaritsyn ? Meaning, i have to control all four provinces for this event to not fire?

also what is the meaning of this OR - is it about relation between all previous conditions, or is it about the next ones that are in the brackets {} ?

meaning that for this event to not fire i have to control Jerusalem, Amman, Suez, Tsaritsyn AND one of the following 3 provinces: Trabzon, Damascus, Baghdad

Is it correct?

Because Amman, Damascus , Jerusalem, Baghdad and Trabzon are under my control, only Suez is not and this event still fired

oh, and what is Tsaritsyn ? no such provinence, according to wiki, it's called Volgograd in Russia, but no such provinence too. geographically it looks as it is somewhere around Volgodonsk in-game provinence, i guess a little similar name, but not sure... but this provinence i cannot control, because i was not at war with russia, i joined later when russia made peace

 

[razorbird789]

The only thing i can tell you for sure is that Tsaritsyn is Stalingrad but under the tsar not Stalin hence the name

 

[juice99]

The only thing i can tell you for sure is that Tsaritsyn is Stalingrad but under the tsar not Stalin hence the name

this i know from wiki no Stalingrad in-game though. in game it is called Carycyn, i just found out. it's small so you have to click it to see it's name

but i still don't understand this event

 

[novapaddy]

trigger = {

random = 20 ..... trigger will happen 20 times out of 100

OR = {
war = { country = OTT country = ENG } ... OR this
war = { country = OTT country = FRA } ... or this
war = { country = OTT country = RUS } ... OR THIS ... any one of these to be true

}

control = { province = 409 data = OTT } # Must control Constantinople.... must control province 409


NOT = { control = { province = 1172 data = OTT } } # Jerusalem.... not in control of any of these
NOT = { control = { province = 1022 data = OTT } } # Amman
NOT = { control = { province = 900 data = OTT } } # Suez
NOT = { control = { province = 663 data = OTT } } # Tsaritsyn


OR = { # Baghdad, Trabzon or Damascus
NOT = { control = { province = 1067 data = OTT } } #Trabzon.... or not in control of ANY 1 of these
NOT = { control = { province = 1034 data = OTT } } #Baghdad
NOT = { control = { province = 1016 data = OTT } } #Damascus
}
}

 

[juice99]

what is the difference between "not in control of any of these" and "not in control of ANY 1 of these" ?

so i have to be in control of ALL listed provinces? why create such strange syntax if i have to have all these provinces, isn't it easier to just list them one after another , why such strange 'OR' ?

 

[novapaddy]

IS at war with ENG, FRA, or Russia.. sorry I got confused with so many NOT's

must control prov 409

must not control any of the next 4 provs

must not be in control of any 1 of these... meaning that if OTT does control any 1 of these, the event does not fire

EDIT: I fully understand where you are coming from. Events are coded like computer programs, but you will get used to it very quickly.

 

[^_AC_^]

must not be in control of any 1 of these... meaning that if OTT does control any 1 of these, the event does not fire

No, this is not correct.

This event (Ottoman surrender not by losing Costantinople but by losing other important cities) fires if:
- OTT is at war with ENG, FRA or RUS
- OTT still controls 409 Constantinople (there is a separate event for losing the city)
- OTT doesn't control Jerusalem and Amman (so it lose the Palestinian zone)
- OTT doesn't control Suez (so it's not doing good against the British)
- OTT doesn't control Tsaritsyn/Stalingrad/Volvograd (so it's not doing good against the Russian)
- finally, it must also have lost at least one of the following: Trabzon, Baghdad, Damascus

 

[juice99]

so my original explanation was right i guess

I was not at war with Russia at all, so why would i have to have russian provinces... i think it could use some additional conditions

am i stuck in never-ending war if this event will not fire by the way?

 

[^_AC_^]

No you didn't understand.
If you're not at war with Russia, then you can still surrender. This has nothing to do with it.

 

[juice99]

by being right i meant my interpretation of the trigger part concerning provinces.

if i was not right, then i'm now even more confused.

I know i can still surrender when i'm not at war with russia, what i meant was that it's impossible to have Russian provinces while not even being at war with Russia. but lets forget this part, it's something different. as to the topic:

for this event to trigger, other that wars and having Constantinopole I need to not have ALL of the following Provinces: Jerusalem, Amman, Suez, Tsaritsyn or not have at least 1 of these 3: Trabzon, Baghdad, Damascus

is that correct?

Meaning, that if i had Jerusalem and Trabzon and Baghdad and Damascus this event shouldn't have triggered...

 

[^_AC_^]

Yes, correct. Sorry if I didn't understood you earlier.