Could We Get More Bloodline’s Please?

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As the title says, I would really like to see the map littered with bloodlines in other significant areas like Rome & Carthage, Sparta, Maurya, Persian Nations, Pergamon if emerges, Bosporan’s and so on. I absolutely love them and hope they allow them to also be Matrilineally inherited, how about everyone else?
 
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What bloodlines do you propose?
I would definitely add some for the historically major families of Rome & Carthage which I think most people have an idea who that would be like the Barcids and Julii. Spartokids in Crimea, Eumenes when Pergamon is formed, Orontes in Armenia, Agiads in Sparta and Maurya. These are to just name a few.
 
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Are there any Romulus bloodline events atm, or events where you can claim descent from him somehow
Now that you suggested that it would possibly give republics like Rome a better way to handle bloodlines rather than just stamping every single family with one, (even though I’d personally be fine with that) you could add this into the mission/event system for them where after they meet requirements like for becoming a dictatorship or the Roman Empire you would receive a bloodline appropriate for that nation like you mentioned a “blood of Romulus” or something along those lines, where as for Carthage I would probably just hand the Barcid’s one or at least once Hannibal appears even though I’ve never personally seen that happen in play through yet sadly.
 

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Not that I’m aware of, but that would be incredible! I haven’t even thought about something like that. This is why I wanted to make this post to get ideas flowing such as this.
A game about Rome, and you can't even play as Gaius Julius Caesar, son of Romulus? Wow
 
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A game about Rome, and you can't even play as Gaius Julius Caesar, son of Romulus? Wow
I can’t tell you how much not being able to get a Julius Caesar irritates me lol the Julii should be a major family at start IMO with at the very least a bloodline describing there claims to being the descendants of the goddess Venus through there descent of Aeneas as they historically claimed.
 

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I can’t tell you how much not being able to get a Julius Caesar irritates me lol the Julii should be a major family at start IMO with at the very least a bloodline describing there claims to being the descendants of the goddess Venus through there descent of Aeneas as they historically claimed.
I'm fine with Julii not being big at game start, it means that you can personally groom them into being one of the big families by personally overseeing they all get positions of influence.
 

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I'm fine with Julii not being big at game start, it means that you can personally groom them into being one of the big families by personally overseeing they all get positions of influence.
That’s true, it’s just hard for me to watch all these families that I know we’re historically old Patrician families just disappear after a time and I can’t gobble them all up without having to pick which ones I really want.
 
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I can’t tell you how much not being able to get a Julius Caesar irritates me lol the Julii should be a major family at start IMO with at the very least a bloodline describing there claims to being the descendants of the goddess Venus through there descent of Aeneas as they historically claimed.
The Iulii were an old family, but nowhere near as Important as the big five families: Cornelii, Fabii, Claudii, Valerii and Aemilii. So I think it's fair, that they don't start as one of the big families.
But I would still give them a bloodline.

I'm fine with Julii not being big at game start, it means that you can personally groom them into being one of the big families by personally overseeing they all get positions of influence.
On another note, how do you do that? By giving them offices?
 
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I think Rome could use some scripted events. Besides having bloodlines, also getting events that makes julii a major family later on. Bc they are not a major family, they should have some hidden exceptions, like still marry and have kids, make ceasar (always) appear with high military skills. Maybe even other exceptions to the game rules that makes it more historical.
 

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The Iulii were an old family, but nowhere near as Important as the big five families: Cornelii, Fabii, Claudii, Valerii and Aemilii. So I think it's fair, that they don't start as one of the big families.
But I would still give them a bloodline.


On another note, how do you do that? By giving them offices?
If you give them lots of offices they'll have lots of family prestige so should become a great family eventually
 

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A few famous Indian dynasties that can become candidates for bloodline traits -

Maurya -
The grand imperial dynasty of course, created the most powerful empire of the Hellenistic era, kicked out the Greeks, unified India, created a stable and well organized government structure, began colonizing Southeast Asia and ushered in a golden age of civilization and imperial power that would not be matched until 500 years later.

After their empire ended, their descendents were still around until early medieval era.

Nanda -
Founders of the very first major empire in Indian history after taking over Magadh. They were about to have a massive war against Alexander with their huge army, but later got toppled by rebellion of Chandragupta Maurya like only 20 years before the game's start.
Their descendents still exist in Maurya lands.

Shunga -
The powerful, religious family of warrior priests that overthrew the Mauryan Empire in a coup, rebuilt the army and then went on to defeat Bactrian and Seleucid invasions. Split India into a north-south diarchy and only stuck around for a while, but still managed to restore stability and create a golden age.
They always start off as one of the noble families under Mauryan Empire, at least in my game.

Haryanka -
The very powerful militarist dynasty that ruled the old Magadh kingdom during Achaemenid era. Their relentless wars of conquest spanned entire northern India. They were the ones who brought Magadh from a small state into a large kingdom, hegemon of Aryavarta and paved way for Nanda and Maurya empires.
Also built the largest city in the world in their time - Pataliputra. And invented the concept of scythed chariots.
Both Buddha and Mahavira, founders of Buddhism and Jainism respectively, spent significant portion of their lives in Haryanka kingdom.
They were kinda like what Qin dynasty was to China, and they can still be found as characters/nobles in Mauryan Empire.

Brihadratha -
One of the oldest dynasties in India, and the very founders of kingdom of Magadh. They have been around since late bronze age, and many of their members have become legendary and mentioned in most Vedic literature and epics, with their own heroes and champions.
Can still be found as characters in Mauryan Empire.

Kuru - (or more correctly, Kaurava)
Another very famous old dynasty from the bronze age, they are legendary protagonists of major Indian epics like Mahabharat, and helped shaped the Vedic religion. They also found the kingdom of Kuru and its capital, the city of Hastinapur (later became the imperial city of Delhi by medieval era). They were masters of chariot warfare, and helped shape Vedic culture in the late bronze age/early iron age.
Their descendents still exist as characters in Mauryan Empire.

Pauravid - (or more correctly, Paurava)
The dynasty of King Puru (or Porus in Greek), the man who fought Alexander to a standstill on the Indus, and immediately earned his respect and became a vassal Satrap, before being assassinated by Diadochi general Eudemos. In the chaos that followed, the Paurava kingdom fell into civil wars and Greek invasions before being conquered by Mauryan Empire.

Paurava family still rules a small eastern remnant state under Mauryan control as vassals.

Haihaya -
A very prestigious dynasty that emerged from the earliest days of Indian civilization in middle and late bronze age. They went southwards and built a stable, powerful kingdom around Narmada river valley, and founded the large capital city of Mahishmati in late bronze/early iron age (that city became stuff of legends and stories in its own way). Some of their kings and princes also became legendary, participated in many celebrated major wars over the centuries.

A cadet house also founded the kingdom of Avanti, although they only ruled it for a short time before their own minister usurped the kingdom and drove them out.

They are still present, ruling their old kingdom (named Mahishmandal in game) in a diminished and weakened state as a vassal under Mauryan Empire. Dynasties of their descendents are present all around CK2/CK3.

Pradyota -
The royal dynasty of the Avanti kingdom, and the ones who brought it to the peak of power after launching a coup against Haihaya dynasty. Avanti became the second most powerful kingdom in India after Magadh. They ruled over a kingdom famous for learning and knowledge (their capital Ujjayini was like Athens of India in terms of learning and philosophy), as well as controlling major trade routes. The war between Avanti and Magadh was the final major war of the Vedic era/rise of Magadh.

Ironically, despite the power and stability of their kingdom, their dynasty was more famous for repeated internal treachery and intrigue.

Their family is still present in Mauryan Empire. In fact as Maurya you can assign them governorship of the kingdom they once ruled.

And then, in the south.

Pandya -
Very famous dynasty that essentially (for all practical purpose) founded the Tamil culture and the power base of southern Indian kingdoms. They became hegemon of southern India whenever northern powers weakened. They would go on create a powerful empire in the medieval era (both before and after Chola), and their final remnant is still present and playable in 1444 EU4 start date.

Chola -
Another famous southern Indian dynasty, who would serve as vassals of various empires before starting a cultural, architectural and religious revolution in the early medieval era.
They maintained the largest maritime empire in medieval Asia, conquered southeast Asia and all of southern India, built huge temples and cities that are still major urban centers, and created a golden age that rivaled that of contemporary Tang and Song dynasty China, and Vijayanagar empire would later restore in EU4 timeline.

Together, Chola and Pandya are counted one of the longest reigning dynasties in history, and you can see why.

Vijyaya - The founding dynasty of the kingdom of Anuradhapur in Lanka. They led a huge migration of people from northern India to colonize Lanka far in the south, which became the Sinhala people. Built their kingdom on stable irrigation and agriculture while surviving as vassals of various Indian empires as they came and went. The result was a system so stable and long lasting, they are even present in CK2/CK3 era 1300 years later.

And I've not even mentioned some of other ones. Some of them are notable dynasties I saw in earlier versions of Imperator, that are no longer present because their characters probably got deleted -

- Satvahan - the Mauryan imperial viceroys of the south, and the first to declare independence when Mauryan Empire collapsed. They formed their own powerful and prosperous empire that survived well into the antiquity. They form the southern part of that Shunga-Satvahan diarchy that split India.
- Shishunaga - the dynasty that ruled Magadh between Haryanka and Nanda, finished the conquest of Avanti, strengthened the roots of imperialism that followed later on, and became the first regal patrons of Buddhism.
- Kanva - successors to the Shunga (which had succeeded Maurya, remember), last major imperial dynasty to rule northern India until Kushan and Gupta Empire.
- Shakya - the famous dynasty of Buddha himself, and rulers of Kapilavastu. In earlier versions their family was visible (if I recall correctly), before being cut like the rest.
- Kirata - ruled a famous warlike jungle tribe during the bronze age, still rule a tribal kingdom (so called "Atavia") as vassal of Mauryan Empire.
- Vatsa - cadet branch of Kaurava/Kuru dynasty that ruled a powerful, heavily urbanized river kingdom. Characters of this family can still be randomly present in Mauryan Empire at start.

Now who among these should be given bloodlines is up to the devs.

But bloodlines in my opinion won't really work well until they restore the old family system. Minor characters can't do anything or have kids, simply because someone arbitrarily thought that was a really good idea.
 
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A few famous Indian dynasties that can become candidates for bloodline traits -

Maurya -
The grand imperial dynasty of course, created the most powerful empire of the Hellenistic era, kicked out the Greeks, unified India, created a stable and well organized government structure, began colonizing Southeast Asia and ushered in a golden age of civilization and imperial power that would not be matched until 500 years later.

After their empire ended, their descendents were still around until early medieval era.

Nanda -
Founders of the very first major empire in Indian history after taking over Magadh. They were about to have a massive war against Alexander with their huge army, but later got toppled by rebellion of Chandragupta Maurya like only 20 years before the game's start.
Their descendents still exist in Maurya lands.

Shunga -
The powerful, religious family of warrior priests that overthrew the Mauryan Empire in a coup, rebuilt the army and then went on to defeat Bactrian and Seleucid invasions. Split India into a north-south diarchy and only stuck around for a while, but still managed to restore stability and create a golden age.
They always start off as one of the noble families under Mauryan Empire, at least in my game.

Haryanka -
The very powerful militarist dynasty that ruled the old Magadh kingdom during Achaemenid era. Their relentless wars of conquest spanned entire northern India. They were the ones who brought Magadh from a small state into a large kingdom, hegemon of Aryavarta and paved way for Nanda and Maurya empires.
Also built the largest city in the world in their time - Pataliputra. And invented the concept of scythed chariots.
Both Buddha and Mahavira, founders of Buddhism and Jainism respectively, spent significant portion of their lives in Haryanka kingdom.
They were kinda like what Qin dynasty was to China, and they can still be found as characters/nobles in Mauryan Empire.

Brihadratha -
One of the oldest dynasties in India, and the very founders of kingdom of Magadh. They have been around since late bronze age, and many of their members have become legendary and mentioned in most Vedic literature and epics, with their own heroes and champions.
Can still be found as characters in Mauryan Empire.

Kuru - (or more correctly, Kaurava)
Another very famous old dynasty from the bronze age, they are legendary protagonists of major Indian epics like Mahabharat, and helped shaped the Vedic religion. They also found the kingdom of Kuru and its capital, the city of Hastinapur (later became the imperial city of Delhi by medieval era). They were masters of chariot warfare, and helped shape Vedic culture in the late bronze age/early iron age.
Their descendents still exist as characters in Mauryan Empire.

Pauravid - (or more correctly, Paurava)
The dynasty of King Puru (or Porus in Greek), the man who fought Alexander to a standstill on the Indus, and immediately earned his respect and became a vassal Satrap, before being assassinated by Diadochi general Eudemos. In the chaos that followed, the Paurava kingdom fell into civil wars and Greek invasions before being conquered by Mauryan Empire.

Paurava family still rules a small eastern remnant state under Mauryan control as vassals.

Haihaya -
A very prestigious dynasty that emerged from the earliest days of Indian civilization in middle and late bronze age. They went southwards and built a stable, powerful kingdom around Narmada river valley, and founded the large capital city of Mahishmati in late bronze/early iron age (that city became stuff of legends and stories in its own way). Some of their kings and princes also became legendary, participated in many celebrated major wars over the centuries.

A cadet house also founded the kingdom of Avanti, although they only ruled it for a short time before their own minister usurped the kingdom and drove them out.

They are still present, ruling their old kingdom (named Mahishmandal in game) in a diminished and weakened state as a vassal under Mauryan Empire. Dynasties of their descendents are present all around CK2/CK3.

Pradyota -
The royal dynasty of the Avanti kingdom, and the ones who brought it to the peak of power after launching a coup against Haihaya dynasty. Avanti became the second most powerful kingdom in India after Magadh. They ruled over a kingdom famous for learning and knowledge (their capital Ujjayini was like Athens of India in terms of learning and philosophy), as well as controlling major trade routes. The war between Avanti and Magadh was the final major war of the Vedic era/rise of Magadh.

Ironically, despite the power and stability of their kingdom, their dynasty was more famous for repeated internal treachery and intrigue.

Their family is still present in Mauryan Empire. In fact as Maurya you can assign them governorship of the kingdom they once ruled.

And then, in the south.

Pandya -
Very famous dynasty that essentially (for all practical purpose) founded the Tamil culture and the power base of southern Indian kingdoms. They became hegemon of southern India whenever northern powers weakened. They would go on create a powerful empire in the medieval era (both before and after Chola), and their final remnant is still present and playable in 1444 EU4 start date.

Chola -
Another famous southern Indian dynasty, who would serve as vassals of various empires before starting a cultural, architectural and religious revolution in the early medieval era.
They maintained the largest maritime empire in medieval Asia, conquered southeast Asia and all of southern India, built huge temples and cities that are still major urban centers, and created a golden age that rivaled that of contemporary Tang and Song dynasty China, and Vijayanagar empire would later restore in EU4 timeline.

Together, Chola and Pandya are counted one of the longest reigning dynasties in history, and you can see why.

Vijyaya - The founding dynasty of the kingdom of Anuradhapur in Lanka. They led a huge migration of people from northern India to colonize Lanka far in the south, which became the Sinhala people. Built their kingdom on stable irrigation and agriculture while surviving as vassals of various Indian empires as they came and went. The result was a system so stable and long lasting, they are even present in CK2/CK3 era 1300 years later.

And I've not even mentioned some of other ones. Some of them are notable dynasties I saw in earlier versions of Imperator, that are no longer present because their characters probably got deleted -

- Satvahan - the Mauryan imperial viceroys of the south, and the first to declare independence when Mauryan Empire collapsed. They formed their own powerful and prosperous empire that survived well into the antiquity. They form the southern part of that Shunga-Satvahan diarchy that split India.
- Shishunaga - the dynasty that ruled Magadh between Haryanka and Nanda, finished the conquest of Avanti, strengthened the roots of imperialism that followed later on, and became the first regal patrons of Buddhism.
- Kanva - successors to the Shunga (which had succeeded Maurya, remember), last major imperial dynasty to rule northern India until Kushan and Gupta Empire.
- Shakya - the famous dynasty of Buddha himself, and rulers of Kapilavastu. In earlier versions their family was visible (if I recall correctly), before being cut like the rest.
- Kirata - ruled a famous warlike jungle tribe during the bronze age, still rule a tribal kingdom (so called "Atavia") as vassal of Mauryan Empire.
- Vatsa - cadet branch of Kaurava/Kuru dynasty that ruled a powerful, heavily urbanized river kingdom. Characters of this family can still be randomly present in Mauryan Empire at start.

Now who among these should be given bloodlines is up to the devs.

But bloodlines in my opinion won't really work well until they restore the old family system. Minor characters can't do anything or have kids, simply because someone arbitrarily thought that was a really good idea.
Agree. I would like to have the Minor family - Major family dynamic introduced into the game. It would be an interesting intrigue gameplay aspect. I am still of the opinion the family culling was a mistake. I can't say it made any of the characters more memorable to me (one of the arguments for the cutting). I only remember great military leaders and kings.

As for the bloodlines, it is obvious that there should more given how important claiming descent from gods, heroes, and kings was to social standing.
 
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Agree. I would like to have the Minor family - Major family dynamic introduced into the game. It would be an interesting intrigue gameplay aspect. I am still of the opinion the family culling was a mistake. I can't say it made any of the characters more memorable to me (one of the arguments for the cutting). I only remember great military leaders and kings.

As for the bloodlines, it is obvious that there should more given how important claiming descent from gods, heroes, and kings was to social standing.
I think that the great families need to change more often. Right now they change occasionally for republics, but they only change for Tribes and monarchies if you go up and down in size.
 
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As the title says, I would really like to see the map littered with bloodlines in other significant areas like Rome & Carthage, Sparta, Maurya, Persian Nations, Pergamon if emerges, Bosporan’s and so on. I absolutely love them and hope they allow them to also be Matrilineally inherited, how about everyone else?
Well while we have nothing official embrace this mod ;) ( In case anyone here doesn't know about him )


Now there will be a good reason to make Royal Weddings :D
 
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Orontes in Armenia

Especially the Orontids deserve this - the dynasty and its cadet branches remained important in the region for centuries.* In CKIII when you play as the house Artsruni ("Arzrouni") in Armenia - thats an Orontid cadet branch. As are the Bagratids and the Andzewatsids. The main line of the Orontids themselves only dissapears from the sources somewhere after the 450s CE, when it seems to have become extinct.

*Or, depending on your viewpoint, millennia, which would make them playable in EUVI as well. It depends on whether you accept the Armenian and Georgian Bagratids having the same origins.
 
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