I believe that western society is getting to the point where established nations will no longer splinter and dismantle as they tended to do in older times. I don't think France for example will ever be dissolved in the foreseeable future, it's been around for so long and French people have gotten used to living together all these centuries. If Byzantium survived all this way, and still existed in its Komnenian borders and retained its strong Romano-Hellenic identity, I think it would be as stable as France in a national sense. There might have been revolutions, civil wars and such but the nation itself would stick.On what basis can you say that?
I believe that western society is getting to the point where established nations will no longer splinter and dismantle as they tended to do in older times.
or a certain, more recent invader...France didn't have empires and nomad peoples with alien religion and alien culture breathing down their neck for centuries. I don't think you can compare them. And if France had been conquered by Muslim Turks or Arabs they would certainly have done away with France as a nation. It would have had to be reinvented as a modern nation state whenever their rule ended.
The Maghrebis? Well that depends on who you askor a certain, more recent invader...
No, but it could have lasted longer than it did
Longer than 2000 years? Only the Egyptian and Chinese states lasted longer than that, and you could argue that China doesn't really has a contiguous history. You can hardly say that Rome underperformed with regards to length.
More like a 1000 years, c. 500 BC to c. 500 AD.
And what happened in that ended the Roman Empire at that point ? To my knowledge the Emperor in Constantinople didn't just give it up. You want a year ? Pick either 1204, 1453 or 1922 (assuming the Chinese model of accepting foreign dynasties goes for Rome as well).
More like a 1000 years, c. 500 BC to c. 500 AD.
I pick 620, when it became clear that Byzantium had changed its character substantially, having adopt a more Greek than Roman character.
The Byzantine empire was a full-blown continuation of the roman dominate which was a continuation of the roman principate which was a continuation of the roman republic which in turn was a continuation of the roman kingdom. At different points in time, the Roman empire changed substantially.
You either agree that there were a half dozen of Roman states or that there was one continuing state lasting from ~750 BC to 1493 A.D.
A consequence of accepting that there were a dozen different states is to accept that no state can last more than a couple of centuries. If a state changing means it's no longer the same state and all states change out of necessity to deal with new challenges, by definition there will be no long-lasting states.
That's what I am saying: it's all the same state. States change over time and as long as there is some continuum, most people would agree it's the same state.The change from Roman Kingdom to Republic to Empire is a regime change, but it is the same state, just like France didn't end in 1789, but rather, changed its regime - the state is the same.
Although for a while the Eastern Roman Empire kept its Roman character, eventually, due to the majority of the population not being culturally Roman, the state became more and more hellenized, and even its official language changed from Latin to Greek. These changes were gradual, but the end result was that the culture of the Byzantine elite was not Roman but Greek, changing the essential character of the Eastern Roman state and society, to become something else entirely.
The Greeks didn't just appear out of nowhere in the 19th century - their society is a continuity of the Byzantine one.