Could J. Edgar Hoover have had JFK assassinated?

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I'm not one for conspiracy theories but J. Edgar Hoover was a vile evil racist who was once the most powerful person in all of the United States, even presidents feared going against him. Former president Harry S Truman (president from 1945 to 1953 had this to say about the man. "Hoover transformed the FBI into his private secret police force. We want no Gestapo or secret police. The FBI is tending in that direction. They are dabbling in sex-life scandals and plain blackmail. J. Edgar Hoover would give his right eye to take over, and all congressmen and senators are afraid of him." So could he had? What evidence is their to support this? Presuming there is any evidence.
 
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Kennedy was hiding not only a voracious sexual appetite but serious health issues and some stupid decisions on ametuerish cloak and dagger schemes, many involving Fidel. Hoover almost certainly had this info. Jack and Bobby couldn't touch him. Why shoot a pigeon safely in your coop?
 
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Kennedy was hiding not only a voracious sexual appetite but serious health issues and some stupid decisions on ametuerish cloak and dagger schemes, many involving Fidel. Hoover almost certainly had this info. Jack and Bobby couldn't touch him. Why shoot a pigeon safely in your coop?
Hoover would have had no need to assassinate JFK if he'd had leverage on him, which I no doubt he did.
 
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No, the elder Duvalier put a curse on him. It is known.
 

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My pet conspiracy is that JFK was shot by some whacko with a gun, and then the FBI and the CIA began spreading rumors because they figured if people realized a president could be assassinated and they weren't responsible, no one would take them seriously.
 
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Hoover wasn't the type to take direct action except perhaps in desperate self-defense. His metier was to collect information and use the threat of exposure. If he had wanted leverage on the Kennedys, he had it - and short of their taking on his friends in the crime families, he probably didn't much care what they did as long as they left him alone.

If the head of the FBI had tried to put together a group to carry out an assassination (and a cover-plan to involve Oswald) then I think that someone would eventually have said something. Someone in the CIA could have been involved - they know how to stay silent but they usually can't hide their tracks - or Carlos Marcello. But Occam's razor says it is probably just what it appears - a lone wolf with a gun.

If only we knew what Dorothy Kilgallen said she found out...
 

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When is the file released? Should be something like 12 years to go, no?
 

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Here's my take:

Could Hoover have found someone willing to assassinate the president? Yes.

Could Hoover have found someone to willing to assassinate the president without any evidence coming to light in the intervening 50 years? Probably not.

Would Hoover have used assassination to remove a president? As several other posters have said it seems like a very risky maneuver and not really necessary. It also runs counter to what we know about how Hoover normally functions. Why risk murder when blackmail works better?


Overall, I find it improbable that Hoover had Kennedy killed. There just seems to be far too much risk for far too little benefit.
 
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OK, I'll play.

John F. Kennedy is officially killed by a sniper hiding in the Book Depository firing behind and above him, yet the kill shot comes from down and in front. According to video evidence - and more importantly the firm opinion of combat trained trauma surgeons in the ER of Parkland Hospital when Kennedy arrived - the kill shot enters through the throat and blows out the back of his head. Ergo, a second shooter. Or Oswald can curve bullets like Neo.

Lee Harvey Oswald had direct links to Organized Crime, Carlos Marcello of New Orleans in particular. He does pro-Communist work on behalf of Cuba, maybe. And most impressively, he flies to Russia and returns with a bride related to a KGB chieftain after defecting, his return to America paid for by the US government.

Lee Harvey Oswald has a direct link to the Mob, Intelligence, and works at the Book Depository; he is involved in some manner. Whether he pulls a trigger is academic, his role in this operation is as 'THE FALL GUY'. He is going to take the rap for what happens regardless of what he did or did not do.

The Mob has the shooters who can pull the trigger, and there are about two dozen prime suspects for who is standing behind the Grassy Knoll (Maybe Woody Harrelson's dad), and who is hiding in the storm drain at the curve in the road beneath the bridge that actually administered the kill shot (Handsome Johnny Roselli), to create a Triangulated Fire mandated on a professional hit of this nature. The Mob CAN pull the trigger, they can't silence a Federal Investigation. To the Mob, the US Goverment won two world wars and prints their own money - they don't tangle with the Feds. Ever! They'll kill Kennedy because he screwed them royally, but they aren't stupid enough to give that order without protection.

On November 22, 1963, in Dallas The Lone Gunman, Lee Harvey Oswald, kills Kennedy and is proclaimed from the heavens to be the sole perpetrator of the attack using doctored photos and questionable storylines.

Jacob Rubenstein is an associate of Momo, Sam Giancana, who is the Front Boss of the Chicago Outfit under Tony Accardo. Momo definitely rigged ballot boxes in Chicago at Joe Kennedy's behest, and he was theoretically involved in a three-way with JFK when he was a senator with a mutual paramour. This is personal to him. Jacob, aka Jack Ruby, is well known to Dallas police. Walking up to Oswald in a heavily armed basement Ruby does a Mob style hit, killing Oswald in plain sight on national TV before he can be taken to a quiet area and put to the question. Oswald's killer states he acted on orders from above and if he said any more his life was forfeit, if you can read between the lines.

The investigation is run by J. Edgar Hoover after he uses a peculiar circumstance to take over the investigation from the SS. And the stories of improprieties, witness badgering, threats, and evidence entered and lost followed by the peculiar deaths of so many tangential characters. The FBI can cover up the investigation, but they can't give a Go! order and they can't pull the trigger.

To me, the kill shot entering the throat and blowing out the back of Kennedy's head is the entire argument. Therefore, who gives the order?

The Mob will pull the trigger, but can't control the investigaion; the FBI can control the investigation, but can't pull the trigger AND control the investigation.

CIA?

The CIA has the only human being devious enough to pull the rabbit out of the hat: James Jesus Angleton, CIA director of Counter-Intelligence, who was humiliated by the Bay of Pigs because Kennedy pulled the airpower necessary for OPERATION ZAPATA / ZAPATA OIL (George HW Bush, where all the Cuban mission supply ships are code-named after his own family members) to succeed in its task. CIA has shooters of their own, and have existing relationships with the Mob forged during WWII and reformed during the CIA and Mafia's joint desire to 'Whack the Beard' - kill Castro and resume control of Cuba.

The Bay of Pigs screws Corporate America, enrages the US High Command, and makes the CIA look foolish. Kennedy's next directives will be a total housecleaning in the US intelligence community, which includes removing Hoover as director of FBI.

Angleton has direct connections with the Mob through Cuba, connections with Hoover since the formation of CIA, and motive. Angleton is like Heydrich, he can build the operational requirements to take out SA in one fell swoop; but neither can give the Go! order. It must come from above, such as Adolph standing in the Brown House telling Goebbels to call Goring and say 'Kolibri', unleashing the gathered storm.

Angleton builds the plan. The Mob provides the shooters. The FBI covers up the trail.

So you find the one individual in the US following the death of Kennedy who can protect CIA and FBI from on high following a highly controlled assassination in his own home state of Texas. That is the individual who - logically - can be the only one who gave 'THE' Go! order. Y'all.
 
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Kennedy was hiding not only a voracious sexual appetite but serious health issues and some stupid decisions on ametuerish cloak and dagger schemes, many involving Fidel. Hoover almost certainly had this info. Jack and Bobby couldn't touch him. Why shoot a pigeon safely in your coop?
Hoover had a famous set of file cabinets full of blackmail material against the highest of the high and the lowest of the low he wanted eliminated. When he died, possession of these cabinets made for delightful Spy-Noir dramas and real life sweat.

And Hoover was earmarked to be removed, particularly because of his refusal to move against the Mob when Bobby was leaning on them heavily.
 

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to take over the investigation from the SS.
For about a second I was contemplating what the Schutzstaffel may have had to do with it - about 20 years after its demise.
Then my brain started to work and I figured that you probably meant the Secret Service. :)

/edit: Either that or we suddenly switched to a Man in the High Castle scenario...
 
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