could Espionage be made more fun early game?

[darth254]

I understand players were trolled by the AI, including a big culprit being the spammage of Agitate For Liberty on them, but Espionage is so zzzzzzzz beyond supporting rebels until you get into late game. and supporting rebels can be so very costly early game.

like maybe give access to certain abilities like Infiltrate Administration earlier or like allow Espionage idea set to gain early access to certain actions while keeping other ones like Agitate For Liberty where they are for late game?

 

[PhoenixG]

imo it was fine when all those action were behind the ideas, before they moved it towards tech.

 

[MateuszNH]

I think last most of them are fine, but instead of claim fabrication there should be more siege ability(better if only for claimed provinces, as the fort would be full of traitors) or bigger bonus of spy network benefits, instead of -10 liberty desire administrative efficency (reduced core creation and diplo-annexation costs) or lower unrest (as secret service is more about holding country often in a dirty way, not
licking subjects boots, well why not but espionage would be too good, maybe with unrest)

espionage idea is too weak, but devs needs to be careful buffing it. There are a lot of good other things that can replace old ones. Bonus movement speed (scouts), reduced fire damage/fort defence (sabotage, contraband), improve relations etc etc.

 

[PhoenixG]

admin eff. would be way to OP to be put in to ideas.

I agree with esionage (and inovative) are bit on the weak side, but imo the main problem is that you don't feel the effect of the ideas inmediately.