I've always hated the fact that trade tariffs for CoTs are the same regardless of it's trade value. Will the trade tariffs be based on the value of the CoT for EU 2?
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Can someone please answer as soon as possible? This is really bugging me, it's just one of those things that I feel needs to be changed.
Originally posted by von Clausewitz
Could you elaborate a bit more on your question?!
Yes, i also dont really understand what you mean here... maybe you say that a 2000d CoT should cost you 20d to put a merchant, and a 500d CoT should cost you 5d? something along those lines? its just a simple example of course...
He means the money you receive for each merchant present-some of the minor CoTs in Europe are almost more valuable for this than for the trade through them, as we all know. It does seem reasonable that the richer the CoT the more you can tax the merchants present.
Zagys are you referring to the fact that a country that controls a CoT gets a 5D per annum tarrif (or fee) on all merchants that compete there? This fee remains unchanged throughout the game regardless of the relative value of the CoT (Danzig vs Flandres); you want this to change for EU2?
If so I'm not sure I agree since this mechanism makes holding a CoT a reward in its own right even if trade value is minor.
If so I'm not sure I agree since this mechanism makes holding a CoT a reward in its own right even if trade value is minor.
It's only 3D.
I tend to regard it as a useful bonus rather than a fundamental part of my CoT strategy-certainly I wouldn't dream of letting merchants into my Far Eastern CoTs just to collect this money.
I tend to regard it as a useful bonus rather than a fundamental part of my CoT strategy-certainly I wouldn't dream of letting merchants into my Far Eastern CoTs just to collect this money.
Maximum is 60 ie. 20x3. But you're right, it is a relatively minor sum of money......but that doesn't mean it should be flat-rated around the world.
Perhaps it could change depending on what economic course you're taking (level of mecantilism etc.) via the oft-mentioned sliders.
Yes that is what I'm referring to. Yes all CoT's should be a reward in their own right, but owning a rich CoT should entail a much greater reward than a poorer one. Logically a CoT in India with a huge radius that trades in spices and silk from all throughout the orient should rake in far more taxes for the owning country than some weak CoT in Northern Europe with a tiny radius that trades in grain and fish, regardless of how many merchants the owning player has trading there.
This generic flat fee for merchants is rediculously unrealistic. The value of CoTs should be more important for tax values than number of CoTs. How could you possibly not agree? Would you have me believe that all CoTs brought in the exact same amount of tax revenues in history? A lesser CoT should be a lesser prize.
I don't agree. The system is pretty wierd. As long as you (the state) can place traders and reap massive amounts of money, I don't think you should be able to get any more on tariffs.
Now, if the game were changed so that you were only taxing (i.e. the tariffs) trading activities, that is another matter.
Now, if the game were changed so that you were only taxing (i.e. the tariffs) trading activities, that is another matter.
geez.... I had no idea this even existed
I'm still learning something new every day from this game
Right, the gov't shouldn't be able to send merchants around. They should be controlled by the AI and trying to maximize their profits, influenced by the infrastructure, trade level taxes and tariffs.
Originally posted by Agelastus
It's only 3D.
I tend to regard it as a useful bonus rather than a fundamental part of my CoT strategy-certainly I wouldn't dream of letting merchants into my Far Eastern CoTs just to collect this money.
3D!! Wow they have improved the graphics!
Ditto on the above - If you've got an uncontested monopoly in a CoT worth >1500 per annum; its even more unbalancing to get rewarded for the value of your six merchants that compete there. IMO the current flat system is more of a reward for owning a small CoT than a penalty to the owner of a large CoT.
IRL if the local authorities (your tax collectors) started charging too great a tarriff on the merchants; they'd ultimately take their business elsewhere.
So perhaps you yourself should be able to set the teriff rate. The principal reason that it's unrealistic for it always to be the same level around the world is simply that a different nation would set a different rate depending on their history, culture, political system etc.
I could agree with the tarriff rate had an impact on the overall profitability of the CoT (rather than the other way around). I suspect the "free trade vs. mercantilism" slider will have an impact on how this issue will ultimately be resolved.
That might work. Maybe if you set the rate too high your merchants could spontaneously leave? There should be some penalty.
That's what I thought-set it above what the market will bear, the merchants will decamp, and you would suffer the same diplo-penalty as if you'd competed them out. The problem is,of course, that it would be worth doing this anyway in some of the American or Far-Eastern CoTs, so maybe one would have to have an upper limit, or an increasing scale of diplomatic penalty as you increase the tariff rate.