Corruption system be fixed or is it going to stay forever?

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So I am barely able to avoid bankruptcy despite having a 700 development Byzantium even with the second highest income on the planet with army maintainances at 0 and fielding only 1/4th of my actual forcelimit as as show to prevent the constant wars by the AI which thankfully doesnt have to pay fort maintainance for its border forts. i have to delete all my forts, fire all my advicers and still could not see, to combat this mechanic

Is this your idea of fun engaging gameplay guys? Seriously who came up with this brilliant mechanic to punish expansion in a game where the only way to play is via expansion?

Did you even play test it for hard starts outside Europe?

Is it atleast going to be fixed anytime soon?
 
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It's a pretty awful mechanic, probably up there near coalitions, shattered retreat, call for peace, autonomy, estates... the only way to 100% avoid it is to vassal feed -everything-

If you think it hits Byzantium bad try Ming, Timurids, any Indian, etc. Awful awful nerf to ROTW nations.

Furthermore, why does having bad boats (low diplo tech) make your nation corrupt? Why does overextension make you more corrupt? Is your government really appointing just-conquered peoples as ministers? Ridiculous.

Makes NO sense.
 
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We're still doing this?

We still have people running around insisting on playing the game in exactly the opposite way the mechanics want you to play, and then complaining about how making those bad decisions leads to their nation being in an untenable position?

Even the people who basically say that WC is the only goal worth having and everyone else who doesn't care about it is wrong have done the correct thing and found ways around the limitations the mechanics impose in order to keep on with their expansionist ways. There are plenty, and they're no more gamey or arbitrary than things that used to work before corruption.

In almost every other game that undergoes regular updates/tweaks that change how useful old strategies are, the response is that people adapt to the new mechanics instead of whining about it. Learn to play. Corruption is not an issue unless you play so badly as to make it an issue.
 
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I've never had problems with corruption (I rarely play outside of Europe or Africa and I dont attempt WC) BUT it doesn't really add to my experience either. It's a small bland mosquito, it bores me more than it annoys me.

Although I also dont understand how you can have that much corruption as BYZ? Did you not go religious or dis you tank dip tech?
 
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I had to adjust., as I always used to let my diplomatic tech level lag super far behind while annexing vassals, wargoals, reducing war exhaustion, etc. Some people still don't bother with diplomatic tech lol.

as was noted above, biggest culprits are religious unity and diplo tech level being like 3 levels behind the others or whatever. if it helps any, either make sure your religious unity approaches 100%+ (convert, go religious to boost conversion or go humanist). if you don't wanna convert, go humanist...just don't get lazy not converting if you aren't humanist. If it's your tech level, then you probably need to national focus diplomatic. you also need to stop diploannexing and just straight up annex with admin for a bit until diplo tech is back up to par. being ahead in tech in admin can help reduce corruption and give a bonus on reducing it, but this along with military research can exacerbate the problem cause corruption is based on unbalanced tech level.

if you have Cossacks, Burghers I think can give you diplomatic points.
 
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Corruption was fixed in 1.17

To combat corruption:
- never have tech levels that is more the 2 from each other.
- try and keep diplo/admin tech up to date
- keep positive stability
- the corruption you get from overextension might have to be payed off with gold to keep it at bay.

You dont need to have corruption at 0 - as long as its below 5 you are fine. Just make sure you are always having a trend with lowering corruption then you will be fine - even if you get added corruption by events.
 
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I seldom have issues with corruption, and believe I remember a WC-purist stating it being the same as others, it´s just a number and it doesn´t really matters much anyway
 
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After you hit critical mass where no AI can beat you you can ignore corruption but I disagree with the very idea of corruption being tied to tech on a molecular level.
 
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Its kind of amazing how people talk about corruption like it was nothing.

"People find ways around it".
Yeah, ignore it. Like Atwix in his AAR.

The Corruption from Tech or Religious Unity doesnt mean shit. It matters in no way at all.

But blob a little. You dont even have to go for WC. Just a nice 1000 Development Empire.
Now take the usual 100 OE. A few provinces in most parts of the world. Nothing special.

Suddenly you pay 60+ Ducats a MONTH to combat the Corruption. For most Nations that 27*60.
1600 Ducats down the drain, for nothing.

The bigger you get the worse it gets. Unless you "roleplay" some Mini-Nation Corruption will be the single biggest thing you spend Ducats on.
More than everything else combined.
Thats how he's getting Corruption as Byzantium. His only other choice is to sit on his hands and watch the score tick up.
 
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Success taxing at it's finest.

It would be like an mmo enacting this, mobs you kill giving you less and less gold depending on how much gold you already have. It's ridiculous.

Don't even get me started on States.
 
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Its kind of amazing how people talk about corruption like it was nothing.

"People find ways around it".
Yeah, ignore it. Like Atwix in his AAR.

The Corruption from Tech or Religious Unity doesnt mean shit. It matters in no way at all.

But blob a little. You dont even have to go for WC. Just a nice 1000 Development Empire.
Now take the usual 100 OE. A few provinces in most parts of the world. Nothing special.

Suddenly you pay 60+ Ducats a MONTH to combat the Corruption. For most Nations that 27*60.
1600 Ducats down the drain, for nothing.

The bigger you get the worse it gets. Unless you "roleplay" some Mini-Nation Corruption will be the single biggest thing you spend Ducats on.
More than everything else combined.
Thats how he's getting Corruption as Byzantium. His only other choice is to sit on his hands and watch the score tick up.

lol, if that's what he did...not core or vassalize, well that's what he gets for being 100% OE and "living on the edge". Paradox has been driving home the theme/message of a more systematic blobbing where you take breathers inbetween wars/conquests and integrate your lands instead of mindless uncontrolled blobbing of constant warfare and conquest, yet players throw hissy fits when Paradox tries to prevent such careless blobbing. Players still sometimes find ways around it, and then Paradox comes back with another tweak. so either 1) find a new method of CTW or general blobbing, which some players already have successfully devised despite the current corruption changes, 2) don't OE and maybe wait on coring or vassalize, or 3) maybe revert your patch.

this is the same ole unwillingness to adjust. my previous way of letting diplo tech tank didn't work. I tweaked my own style and asked for input from the forums instead of raging on the forums.
 
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The bigger you get the worse it gets. Unless you "roleplay" some Mini-Nation Corruption will be the single biggest thing you spend Ducats on.

Of course, large empires were never plagued by corruption.
 
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Of course, large empires were never plagued by corruption.
The thing here in EU4 is that being large in itself doesn't make you corrupt, expanding makes you corrupt. It's the opposite of real life, where expanding nations were usually not very corrupt, while nations who stopped expanding and instead started developing their economy and culture did become corrupt, stagnated, and eventually collapsed or were invaded by a foreign power. Like a ton of other mechanics in EU4, corruption works the exact opposite of how it did in real life. As someone above said, it's nothing more than another success tax, and has nothing to do with "corruption".
 
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I don't get why people have issues with corruption unless they're attempting WC.

Since corruption was added I've played as
- Byzantium -> Roman Empire
- Pegu doing Sailor Mon
- Kongo's full Africa conquest
- Burgundy achievement run
- Najd's Jihad run
- England run to get Industrial Revolution + Conquer all of India achievement
- Kuba game for the cigar achievement
- Great Perm run

I think that's it, so take what you will from that sample size but it seems fairly reasonable in size, has touched every area of the globe bar New World natives and has generally included quite a bit of expansion considering so many achievements are to blob.

I've never had any issue with corruption, I don't think it has ever went over 2, let alone got me into bankruptcy.

I can understand people not particularly liking the mechanic, especially people going after WC runs. I can not understand how any player bar that can really have trouble with the mechanic. I'm sorry, I just don't understand. For a while I wondered if I just wasn't playing cut throat and "optimally" enough, but if the optimal play ends up with you in bankruptcy then evidently it's a tactical line that certainly shouldn't be pursued - it might have been optimal at once point but obviously isn't anymore.
That's not corruption being broken any more than complaining about the inability to carpet siege France because of the fort system makes forts broken. Both systems have their problems, but it sounds like you're just trying to ignore the system entirely and then acting outraged when it bites you in the arse based on the descriptions.

I don't know how much development I had as Byzantium when I formed the Roman Empire, but I wouldn't be surprised if it was in the 700+ region, and I had zero issues with corruption,bankruptcy while fielding a 300k+ army at full maintenance and with 17k ducats in the bank and rising since I'd long since stopped caring about my economy.

Your situation is so distant from my own experience that I can only presume it's player error.
 
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Corruption is annoying, and it severely hurts non-trade based empires the most. I am not entirely sure how the OP is broke as Byzantium considering how good that trade node is though.
 
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lol, if that's what he did...not core or vassalize, well that's what he gets for being 100% OE and "living on the edge". Paradox has been driving home the theme/message of a more systematic blobbing where you take breathers inbetween wars/conquests and integrate your lands instead of mindless uncontrolled blobbing of constant warfare and conquest, yet players throw hissy fits when Paradox tries to prevent such careless blobbing. Players still sometimes find ways around it, and then Paradox comes back with another tweak. so either 1) find a new method of CTW or general blobbing, which some players already have successfully devised despite the current corruption changes, 2) don't OE and maybe wait on coring or vassalize, or 3) maybe revert your patch.

this is the same ole unwillingness to adjust. my previous way of letting diplo tech tank didn't work. I tweaked my own style and asked for input from the forums instead of raging on the forums.


What do you mean, "maybe wait on coring". He pays the same amont of money if he expands slower. He just does it in installments. And he has less land to work with. While that will prevent bankrupcy there already exists a Softcap for OE. Why do we need another?
And "dont OE". Y Teach me sensei.

All those fancy events that casualy give you 1 Corruption. If those instead expected you to pay out X00 ducats cash we'd see alot more people throwing fits.
There is nothing fun or engaging about dealing with corruption. It might aswell be an incrasing cost in gold added to coring. A large cost.

Think about this:
Since the Corruption Tax is based off your Development you pay the same amount of money reletive to your size.
The only reason early game Corruption is less bad, is that BloodMoney and WarReps make up a much larger part of your income. So paying based on your DEV cost a smaller part of your average monthly surplus.

Now, if you are big at some point conquering new land doesnt actually increase your purchasing power anymore.
Since the new provinces wont make the cost of their corruption tax back before the game is over.


"Unwillingness to adjust" and "revert patch".
I can deal with corruption and yet i thought about doing it for the first time every recently.
Simple because i done like this "you have less money the bigger you are because the game says so".

There isnt even a payoff to counterbalance it.
Something as simple as "provinces have 0 UNREST while being cored" would give the whole thing atleast some semblence of fairness.
 
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Corruption is annoying, and it severely hurts non-trade based empires the most. I am not entirely sure how the OP is broke as Byzantium considering how good that trade node is though.

OP is undoubtedly getting beat down by corruption for dumping dip and/or adm tech and continuing to pound out OE just like most of the other anti-corruption whiners have been. Instead of looking into the causes of their corruption and addressing them they just come crying on the forum...
 
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Barring the very early game, I set corruption payment at max and then forget it exists. I'll notice that I'm unexpectedly losing money from time to time, but that's it.

I'm far from a WC war monger though. I don't remember the last time I took 100% war score in just provinces and gold. Safe, careful chunks, and crippling transferred trade power are more satisfying for me, so I can see why other might not agree.
 
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The thing here in EU4 is that being large in itself doesn't make you corrupt, expanding makes you corrupt.

Being large makes you pay more for corruption, so you pay more for each annexed province. But I'd be all for extra corruption from size.
 
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