Copts cant build pyramids.

[treb]

looking though the files because i was curious i found that pyramids are locked behind these requirements:

# 6B. Pyramid
wonder_pyramid = {
    allow_coastal = yes
    picture = GFX_wonder_strip_pyramid
    model = wonder_pyramid
    potential = {
        OR = {
            culture = egyptian_arabic
            trait = lunatic
            has_religion_feature = religion_feature_pyramids
        }
    }
    active = {
    }
    flags = {
        burial_ground
        is_destructible
        cost_high
    }

So outside of being a crazy Arab you need to be Aztec pagan to build pyramids. Come on paradox this has to be an oversight, the native descendants of the Egyptians cant but the new Arab overlords can

 

[arghoz]

Hopefully this gets fixed.

 

[Kapitalisti]

Doesn't that code mean that you have to be either crazy OR Arab-Egyptian? Should be easy to just add Coptic there so seems like a minor oversight.

 

[Reman]

Doesn't that code mean that you have to be either crazy OR Arab-Egyptian? Should be easy to just add Coptic there so seems like a minor oversight.

Yeah, that's an OR, not an AND. Being a lunatic alone should suffice, which is fairly easy to get via the necronomicon.

 

[Mamluk]

Both Arabized Egyptians and Coptic Christians are "native descendants", whom had stopped building pyramids long before the Christianization/Islamization of Egypt. I do agree though that they should both be able to build them.

 

[BuddyLove]

Yeah, that's an OR, not an AND. Being a lunatic alone should suffice, which is fairly easy to get via the necronomicon.

Ugh, just play 3 generations and you'll end up a lunatic from a fever one of them it seems to me; it's a trait that I keep getting stuck with.

 

[Byzantium2000]

I don’t get it why would a normal Copt try to build a Pyramid. You should have to be a lunatic Hellenic/pagan Copt or Egyptian to Bulid then.

 

[Karlington]

I don’t get it why would a normal Copt try to build a Pyramid. You should have to be a lunatic Hellenic/pagan Copt or Egyptian to Bulid then.

Coptic Christianity is the oldest surviving religion in Egypt, so I'm guessing that that's why people think that they should be able to build the quintessential Egyptian monuments.

Inb4 someone says something silly: by "surviving religion" I mean religion of appreciable size. There may very well be an old Ra worshipper or two somewhere there.

 

[Byzantium2000]

Coptic Christianity is the oldest surviving religion in Egypt, so I'm guessing that that's why people think that they should be able to build the quintessential Egyptian monuments.

Inb4 someone says something silly: by "surviving religion" I mean religion of appreciable size. There may very well be an old Ra worshipper or two somewhere there.

Well that’s kind of weak that’s like expecting Greek Orthodoxs to start building Temples to Zeus. Only Egyptian Pagans built Paramids so I don’t think just being a Copt should be a requirement.

 

[Karlington]

Well that’s kind of weak that’s like expecting Greek Orthodoxs to start building Temples to Zeus. Only Egyptian Pagans built Paramids so I don’t think just being a Copt should be a requirement.

Sure, but this game deviates from proper history a lot. I've seen Arabic Sunnis found the empire of Francia, so by comparison it's not too far-fetched for a Coptic Egyptian to build pyramids.

 

[Byzantium2000]

Sure, but this game deviates from proper history a lot. I've seen Arabic Sunnis found the empire of Francia, so by comparison it's not too far-fetched for a Coptic Egyptian to build pyramids.

Those aren’t the same at all, The Empire of Francia is just an Empire creatable by anyone, Theirs Zero possibility of a Copt buliding a Pyramid.

 

[Karlington]

Those aren’t the same at all, The Empire of Francia is just an Empire creatable by anyone, Theirs Zero possibility of a Copt buliding a Pyramid.

The Empire of Francia is only an empire creatable by anyone because the game code says so. The pyramids can be created only by lunatics, Egyptian Arabs, and certain reformed pagans because the game code says so.

 

[Byzantium2000]

The Empire of Francia is only an empire creatable by anyone because the game code says so. The pyramids can be created only by lunatics, Egyptian Arabs, and certain reformed pagans because the game code says so.

Indeed thus Copts shouldn’t be able to Pyramids not only cause it makes no damn sense but cause the game says so. However Egyptian Arabs making Pyramids also makes no sense so theirs that to.

 

[Karlington]

Indeed thus Copts shouldn’t be able to Pyramids not only cause it makes no damn sense but cause the game says so. However Egyptian Arabs making Pyramids also makes no sense so theirs that to.

Yes. And Muslim Arabs or Monglian Tengris creating the empire of Francia makes no damn historical sense either, but hey, this is a game and exists for the purpose of fun and enjoyment. Sometimes realism and historical accuracy have to give in favor of what's enjoyable.

I think it'd make more sense to lock some wonders behind the Arbitrary trait rather than the Lunatic trait. That trait has gotten no love (except for being able to sway rivals, granted, which can be extremely useful), but would make more sense. I mean, a ruler who does random weird shit that he shouldn't do and does not make sense is more or less what Arbitrary would mean...

PS. Years ago the game did enforce a lot of cultural restrictions on creating empires and kingdoms, but most of them were removed due to player requests. Some of them were kept for AI only, and a very few for players as well.

 

[Byzantium2000]

Yes. And Muslim Arabs or Monglian Tengris creating the empire of Francia makes no damn historical sense either, but hey, this is a game and exists for the purpose of fun and enjoyment. Sometimes realism and historical accuracy have to give in favor of what's enjoyable.

I think it'd make more sense to lock some wonders behind the Arbitrary trait rather than the Lunatic trait. That trait has gotten no love (except for being able to sway rivals, granted, which can be extremely useful), but would make more sense. I mean, a ruler who does random weird shit that he shouldn't do and does not make sense is more or less what Arbitrary would mean...

PS. Years ago the game did enforce a lot of cultural restrictions on creating empires and kingdoms, but most of them were removed due to player requests. Some of them were kept for AI only, and a very few for players as well.

Making Copts being able to Make Pyramids is not a worthy historical sacrifice. Restrictions to lunatic or arbitrary(good idea) is easily a more plausible way without sacrificing plausibility and still being fun.

 

[klopkr]

Shouldn't Hellenics be able to build them too? Since that's the closest thing to the old kemetic religion that can take over the region?

I'd love to do a hellenic copt run and become a new pharaoh.

 

[Karlington]

Making Copts being able to Make Pyramids is not a worthy historical sacrifice. Restrictions to lunatic or arbitrary(good idea) is easily a more plausible way without sacrificing plausibility and still being fun.

Thanks. I guess people can come to different conclusions there. Some will think it's worthy, some won't. Personally I'm not too concerned. There are enough wonders to keep me busy. As long as they don't put the extremely powerful ones like the herb garden, fountain of youth or library behind onerous requirements I'm fine.

 

[treb]

Making Copts being able to Make Pyramids is not a worthy historical sacrifice. Restrictions to lunatic or arbitrary(good idea) is easily a more plausible way without sacrificing plausibility and still being fun.

Like it or not there a feature were now stuck with and looking at it logically, it makes even less sense for Arabs to be building pyramids than it does for Copts.

 

[Karlington]

Like it or not there a feature were now stuck with and looking at it logically, it makes even less sense for Arabs to be building pyramids than it does for Copts.

The "egyptian_arabic" tag is a bit of a misnomer. It's purely an internal construct. The actual culture in the game is "Egyptian."

 

[Byzantium2000]

Like it or not there a feature were now stuck with and looking at it logically, it makes even less sense for Arabs to be building pyramids than it does for Copts.

What do you mean? Normal Copts can’t bulid Pyramids and I support that, your right Egyptian Arabs shouldn’t be able to but that dosent make less sense.