Coptic papacy restoration

[Xillan]

After taking Alexandria and ceding the bishopric of Alexandria to the Coptic Pope, you'll have to keep an eye on him. Miaphysites have no problem with fighting their religious head if they have a de jure claim aagainst him. The Count of Alexandria will declare war on the Pope for control of the bishopric, if the Coptic Pope is the count then the Duke of Alexandria will mess with him, if he's the Duke, then the King of Egypt will knock on his door. Unless you are willing to transfer vassalage of the Coptic Pope to his de jure liege, or give the Coptic Pope vast power, you will have to intervene to save him routinely.

Geez well ok that’s good to know, and really weird.

 

[Kurblius]

After taking Alexandria and ceding the bishopric of Alexandria to the Coptic Pope, you'll have to keep an eye on him. Miaphysites have no problem with fighting their religious head if they have a de jure claim aagainst him. The Count of Alexandria will declare war on the Pope for control of the bishopric, if the Coptic Pope is the count then the Duke of Alexandria will mess with him, if he's the Duke, then the King of Egypt will knock on his door. Unless you are willing to transfer vassalage of the Coptic Pope to his de jure liege, or give the Coptic Pope vast power, you will have to intervene to save him routinely.

Perhaps it's possible to maintain direct control of the Pope? Grant him two baronies, the Bishopric of Alexandria and a barony in your demesne, making sure to grant the barony in your demesne to him first so he will be your direct vassal even as you grant the county to someone else. Should the Bishopric of Alexandria be lost, I would think the Pope would simply move to your demesne, no?

 

[CyberForte]

After taking Alexandria and ceding the bishopric of Alexandria to the Coptic Pope, you'll have to keep an eye on him. Miaphysites have no problem with fighting their religious head if they have a de jure claim aagainst him. The Count of Alexandria will declare war on the Pope for control of the bishopric, if the Coptic Pope is the count then the Duke of Alexandria will mess with him, if he's the Duke, then the King of Egypt will knock on his door. Unless you are willing to transfer vassalage of the Coptic Pope to his de jure liege, or give the Coptic Pope vast power, you will have to intervene to save him routinely.

Can confirm this. Personally I feel like vassals should be less likely to try to take land away from their own religious heads in internal wars, especially if it's for a holy site--in my recent reformed Zunist game, for example, I had to constantly demand peace between the Viceroy of Khorasan and the High Priest of Zunism every generation because the king was really intent on declaring de jure war and taking a holy site away from his religious head. >_>;

 

[Metanetwork]

Perhaps it's possible to maintain direct control of the Pope? Grant him two baronies, the Bishopric of Alexandria and a barony in your demesne, making sure to grant the barony in your demesne to him first so he will be your direct vassal even as you grant the county to someone else. Should the Bishopric of Alexandria be lost, I would think the Pope would simply move to your demesne, no?

You're overcomplicating things. The coptic pope will still stay your direct vassal if you hand out the county (sub-vassalization only happens on primary titles, and the coptic papacy is the primary title). The person with the county just gets a de jure casus belli on Alexandria.

The coptic pope would stay a vassal if he becomes landless. He does not 'need' to control Alexandria after the initial vassalization.

 

[FifthMonarchy]

Even more foolishly in that situation, the owner of the county of Alexandria declares a de jure war on the pope, wins, hands off the barony and then the pope gets it back automagically a short while later (assuming all Miaphysites involved). Then after the truce expires we rinse and repeat. If you land the holy order they spend a lot of time pressing claims on co-religionists too, which doesn't seem right either, not just because it's not so holy but also because i thought joining the order meant abandoning claims.