Converting the Golden Horde Back to Pagan / Islam

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In my current game, the Golden Horde converted to Catholic. Which is disappointing because it means I can't Holy War them. Now, I could intermarry with them and get a claim on the entire empire -- but I'd rather not do it that way.

So this is a new tactic for me and I thought someone might have some advice. Any tips from anyone on how to re-convert them to pagan or to islam?

I've considered making an islamic or tengri chaplain and sticking him on their capital. Does this work? If so, it actually seems like a great tactic in general although quite gamey.

I've also considered just converting myself to a heresy and holy warring until I'm done, and then switiching back. I never do this but maybe it's a good plan in general?

 

[Comradebot]

In my current game, the Golden Horde converted to Catholic. Which is disappointing because it means I can't Holy War them. Now, I could intermarry with them and get a claim on the entire empire -- but I'd rather not do it that way.

So this is a new tactic for me and I thought someone might have some advice. Any tips from anyone on how to re-convert them to pagan or to islam?

I've considered making an islamic or tengri chaplain and sticking him on their capital. Does this work? If so, it actually seems like a great tactic in general although quite gamey.

I've also considered just converting myself to a heresy and holy warring until I'm done, and then switiching back. I never do this but maybe it's a good plan in general?

Can't force them to re-convert, unless you find a claimant of another faith and manage to get him into your realm, in which case you could push his claim, then holy war them.


On the plus side, if they're Catholic then they can't holy war you, either, nor can they invade.

 

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On the plus side, if they're Catholic then they can't holy war you, either, nor can they invade.

As it happens, I had just kicked the dirt out of them in a crusade destroying most of their army in the process. I was looking forward to now taking apart their entire empire with all their horse archers dead. Turning Catholic saved them from me!

 

[Bigheeed]

Standard plans really, assassinate until a non converted heir (if there is one) takes over.
Invite strong claimant and tutor his kids using a Muslim in your court.... Not a quick method.
Cheat?
That's about it....

 

[Gunnarr]

I wish they had a larger chance to convert to a heretical religion rather than catholic

 

[Lorehead]

They should indeed have a chance to convert to the Church of the East, which is not accurately portrayed in the game right now. It should get some attention in 1.09 like the Miaphysites did in 1.08, which was a big improvement.

But, back to your game: if they’re big and Catholic, and you’re Catholic, you might be able to ask the Pope for an invasion. If you’re Orthodox, mending the Great Schism will allow you to wage holy war on Catholics.

 

[Wannabemarco]

I got the same problem in my Abyssinia game, Golden Horde and Il Khnate converted to catholicism, and the share all of eastern europe.
For the time, it's not a big deal as i still have to deal with the remains of the Fatimid sultanate, but i think i'll be stuck with it soon...