Converting Mecca impossible as Persia?

[delpiero1234]

Is it impossible to convert Mecca as Persia? I have +3 stability, a missionary, completed religious ideas and 100% piety.
This sums up to 11.51% missionary strength. Mecca requires at least 12% missionary strength.

Edit: I meant inquisitor and not missionary. Somehow confused them.

 

[Alblaka]

Needs some national decisions.

 

[delpiero1234]

Needs some national decisions.

Are there national decisions that Muslims can enact which increase missionary strength?

 

[Choccookies]

Establish Sheikh ul-Islam office

 

[TheMeInTeam]

Is it impossible to convert Mecca as Persia? I have +3 stability, a missionary, completed religious ideas and 100% piety.
This sums up to 11.51% missionary strength. Mecca requires at least 12% missionary strength.

Build fort level 5 or even 6 and hire an inquisitor.

Even Buddhist, which gets no max piety bonus, can get this:

2% decisions (monastic education, anti-Christian edict)
2% base
3% divine supremacy
1.5% stability
2% inquisitor
.6% fort level 6 (at this point, you're swimming in money, so if you're going to be ahead of years in miltech it's not a big investment).

This sums up to 11.1%, not quite enough. But Muslim?

2% base
3% piety
3% divine supremacy
1.5% stab
2% inquisitor
1% decision based on leader
.6% fort level

That's 13.1%. Hard, but it'll chew through Mecca. At least it's POSSIBLE for that religion. This is before events like religious temp 1% or "increased narrow-minded" in innovative and such, which can push you a little more still.

 

[Tallyhoo]

In my Persia game i reduced Hedjaz (or what was name of owner) to one province (mecca) and forced them to convert religion to shiite. In next war i simply annexed them.

 

[grisamentum]

In my Persia game i reduced Hedjaz (or what was name of owner) to one province (mecca) and forced them to convert religion to shiite. In next war i simply annexed them.

Best strategy right here. Makes me wonder if an Orthodox power could force-convert the Papal States to convert Rome.

 

[delpiero1234]

Best strategy right here. Makes me wonder if an Orthodox power could force-convert the Papal States to convert Rome.

The Papal State can't change religion.

 

[grisamentum]

The Papal State can't change religion.

Is the convert religion option not available on the peace screen against Papal States?

 

[Asterix85]

Can you not convert the province as the ottomans?(Rome that is)

 

[unmerged(747190)]

Bonus style points for converting it by supporting Shiite rebels there before you invade and conquer.

 

[delpiero1234]

Bonus style points for converting it by supporting Shiite rebels there before you invade and conquer.

How do you support Shiite rebels in a Sunni province? How do you support rebels in your own province?

Is the convert religion option not available on the peace screen against Papal States?

Yes I believe it is not available.

 

[TheMeInTeam]

How do you support Shiite rebels in a Sunni province? How do you support rebels in your own province?


Yes I believe it is not available.

You'd have to gift them Shiite provinces and then support them.

 

[grisamentum]

Can you not convert the province as the ottomans?(Rome that is)

You can, provided you have high enough missionary strength (most straightforward way is Religious ideas and full piety).

Really, the country most interested in converting Rome are Orthodox, though. Mainly for the patriachate mission. Although it's pretty easy as Byzantium anyway with +3% missionary strength from your NI and a free 2% from Patriarchal Authority.

 

[deathsheep221]

The Papal State can't change religion.

The Papal States in my multiplayer game (Europe Unleashed) is a Sunni vassal of the Ottomans.

 

[LarryLeica]

The Papal State can't change religion.

You just wait until someone takes Rome, then do it to them.

 

[delpiero1234]

You just wait until someone takes Rome, then do it to them.

But then Rome doesn't convert. Only the capital province converts when you force religion. How is the new owner of Rome supposed to convert it?

 

[Schmoekoeksklok]

The Papal States in my multiplayer game (Europe Unleashed) is a Sunni vassal of the Ottomans.

They can't change religions, through rebels/peace deals or voluntarily. But they can ofcourse be released just fine and can then have a different religion. When I did this a while ago though I had revolutionary rebels pop up in Rome every other month, so it wasn't really that helpful.

But then Rome doesn't convert. Only the capital province converts when you force religion. How is the new owner of Rome supposed to convert it?

By 'it' he means reduce the new owner to one province (Rome) and then force-convert them.

 

[moyang]

Other missionary bonus:
+2% from skill 3 Theologian event (Purely luck based and hard to get though)
+1% from Increased Narrowminded