Converting from Catholic to pagan (Tengri maybe?)

[khabalseed]

Hi all,

I'm currently playing a catholic country, and I'm considering switching to some pagan religion, just for doing something different (tbh, catholicism is the most boring religion I've played in ck2) I've played with muslims and orthodox and I like them a lot, but I'm considering pagan for the challenge and instead of starting over, I want to convert my char and (eventually) the country, but I have some questions:

1. I've read about "reforming" paganism; does it refer to changing from paganism to christian/musim/etc or does it mean you can somewhat "evolve" paganism into something deeper, but still being pagan?
2. I'm playing with the great-grandson of my starting char, which was canonized and became the first Saint in Catholic church of my game, give the special bloodline; if I switch to pagan, will my lineage keep that bonus or would they lose it due to not being catholic anymore?
3. They "easiest" way to do this would be marrying a pagan lady, then switching to her religion with an option that should pop-up in the complots menu, am I right? Then demanding the religious advisor to convert and from them start proselytizing our provinces, am I right?
4. Last, but not least, I considered Tengri because I already played some viking chars and wanted something new, but any tips/suggestions will be welcomed.

Thanks in advance.

 

[MateuszS]

1. It's still the same paganism but with additionsal features (you can choose what religious head do you want to have, policy towards infidels, some more or less attractive stuff (unit bonuses, succession types/preferences, finally way easier proselytization in comparison to unreformed religion). To make a reformation, you need 750 piety and either 3 holy sites and your pagan religion needs 50% Moral AUthority, or control all 5 holy sites.
https://ck2.paradoxwikis.com/Pagans#Reformation
https://ck2.paradoxwikis.com/Pagans#Reformation_in_Holy_Fury
https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/foru...gan-reformation-tier-list-discussion.1244422/
2. Saintly bloodlines are religion locked
3. Two options:
- https://ck2.paradoxwikis.com/Religious_conversion#Secret_conversion_decisions
- https://ck2.paradoxwikis.com/Pagans#Hellenic
Beware that unrerformed pagans can't demand conversion (and their court chaplains have 0 chances to convert provinces following organised religion like christianity).
4. Slavic and Romuva are quite bland but their holy sites are close to each other so it's easy to reform. Another option is to restore hellenic faith. Nordic faith is quite easy as holy sites are easily accessible.

 

[jonjowett]

4. I suggest you check the locations of pagan religions' holy sites in relation to your realm.

• You ideally want to spend as little time as possible as an unreformed pagan, so it's advantageous to have at least 3 holy sites nearby.
• On the other hand, you don't seem to have HF. If you don't have HF and aren't using the subscription then you will not be able to customise the features of your reformed pagan religion. In this case, you should choose your pagan religion by balancing the ease of conquering 3 holy sites vs the set features of the reformed religion.

 

[MateuszS]

OP said he has saintly bloodline so he has Holy Fury.

 

[jonjowett]

OP said he has saintly bloodline so he has Holy Fury.

True. I edited almost immediately, but you were too fast! (In fact, I suspect he has base game + subscription.)

 

[khabalseed]

1. It's still the same paganism but with additionsal features (you can choose what religious head do you want to have, policy towards infidels, some more or less attractive stuff (unit bonuses, succession types/preferences, finally way easier proselytization in comparison to unreformed religion). To make a reformation, you need 750 piety and either 3 holy sites and your pagan religion needs 50% Moral AUthority, or control all 5 holy sites.
https://ck2.paradoxwikis.com/Pagans#Reformation
https://ck2.paradoxwikis.com/Pagans#Reformation_in_Holy_Fury
https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/foru...gan-reformation-tier-list-discussion.1244422/
2. Saintly bloodlines are religion locked
3. Two options:
- https://ck2.paradoxwikis.com/Religious_conversion#Secret_conversion_decisions
- https://ck2.paradoxwikis.com/Pagans#Hellenic
Beware that unrerformed pagans can't demand conversion (and their court chaplains have 0 chances to convert provinces following organised religion like christianity).
4. Slavic and Romuva are quite bland but their holy sites are close to each other so it's easy to reform. Another option is to restore hellenic faith. Nordic faith is quite easy as holy sites are easily accessible.

Thank you very, very much for your answer, very explanatory. I'd follow your guidances.

 

[khabalseed]

4. I suggest you check the locations of pagan religions' holy sites in relation to your realm.

• You ideally want to spend as little time as possible as an unreformed pagan, so it's advantageous to have at least 3 holy sites nearby.
• On the other hand, you don't seem to have HF. If you don't have HF and aren't using the subscription then you will not be able to customise the features of your reformed pagan religion. In this case, you should choose your pagan religion by balancing the ease of conquering 3 holy sites vs the set features of the reformed religion.

Thank you very much for that link; I really appreciate it.