Converting France

[th3freakie]

Playing as a French power (thus aiming at owning all of France or at least the North) is it worth it to convert to protestant/reformed?

Specificly I'm on a Burgundy game, I'm rich as hell, own about 3/4 of France plus all Dutch provinces, Genova and 3 rich german ones. 3 dutch provinces already converted to reformed and protestant and I'm wondering if the effort to make the rest of the country so is worth it on future tax/trade bonus.

 

[Sleepyhead]

I always go reformed since it will get me a higher trade income and I will tech even faster. You already own Holland and you are fithly rich so converting provinces wont really be a problem.
Go reformed.

 

[th3freakie]

So be it. From Defender of the Faith to Greatest Traitor I'll go.

Is it wise to wait until there are others like me? I hate England and they hate me, so maybe Sweden? And then royalmarry the some swedish gals?

 

[Sleepyhead]

Wait? Just force convert 'em bastards

Get your filthy hands away from the Swedish gals!

 

[th3freakie]

Never! I'm filthy rich so why not have the best in the World?

Ho well, here goes nothing - chalaging all the world in religion *dives into play*

edit; ah dam, just remembered, can't diploanex catholics this way, can I?

 

[unmerged(17167)]

By becoming reformed I imagine you can also avoid the Dutch revolts, though I'm not sure Burgundy gets them in vanilla.

 

[Sleepyhead]

edit; ah dam, just remembered, can't diploanex catholics this way, can I?

I think you can.

By becoming reformed I imagine you can also avoid the Dutch revolts, though I'm not sure Burgundy gets them in vanilla.

No you need to have a really high innovative policy, religion doesn't matter.

 

[th3freakie]

By becoming reformed I imagine you can also avoid the Dutch revolts, though I'm not sure Burgundy gets them in vanilla.

It's AGCEEP and I didn't avoid them... hoping it will pass because between having most of the country wrong religion, -3 sta and those +10RR the country's kinda falling appart.

 

[SeedSnatcher]

I stayed Catholic in my game mainly because after the Reformation, it was mostly the Dutch provinces that changed (in my game, most of the French provinces that change were owned by England, so I was fine-ish.) and it was rather easy to convert them. Basically, I suggest you stay Catholic because you can convert the french and dutch provinces more easily, it makes your life easier if you're going to inherit Spain.

 

[Registered]

I think you can.

Not untill the edict of tolerance fires. Sometime during the late 17th century IIRC.

 

[th3freakie]

Not untill the edict of tolerance fires. Sometime during the late 17th century IIRC.

Ho well, southern France can wait. All poor provinces anyways if compared with the rich north and holland.

 

[Sleepyhead]

Not untill the edict of tolerance fires. Sometime during the late 17th century IIRC.

Mid 17th century.

 

[unmerged(5205)]

As France I always stay Catholic and convert all my provinces..the only province that really gives me hell is Flanders but eventually it succeeds

 

[ConjurerDragon]

I think you can.

No you need to have a really high innovative policy, religion doesn't matter.

Religion does matter - in the Global Dutch Revolts event file the events triggers look for religion and if you are catholic/counterreform catholic AND innovative then you don´t get the revolution. But as I understand it, if you are protestant/reformed and decentralized you don´t get the revolts either.

 

[unmerged(45766)]

Religion does matter - in the Global Dutch Revolts event file the events triggers look for religion and if you are catholic/counterreform catholic AND innovative then you don´t get the revolution. But as I understand it, if you are protestant/reformed and decentralized you don´t get the revolts either.

Precisely. Out of my memory, you need to be INNO 8 or more if you're catholic/CRC, or Centralization 0 if you're protestant/reformed.

But reformed/protestant really get only one of the three events, so you're still better off than being catholic with a low INNO. And a low INNO being more important with a latin european country, you're better being protestant/reformed in that regard.


But you shouldn't convert just for the benefits of religion. You should base your choice on whether it'll take less time/money to convert all your current (or future) provinces to catholic or protestant or reformed. To decide that, take into account the number of provinces you have to convert, but also the fact that some are easier or harder depending on culture, population, wealth.
Shift to religious viewmode, and check the cost and base chances of conversions. For each province, divide the cost of sending a missionary by the percentage (use the form of 0.xx where xx is the percentage of success), this'll give you the average cost of converting that province. Sum the average costs of every province in separate sub-totals by religion, and then decide what to do. Only check the different benefits of religion if there's not much of a difference between the subtotals.

You may also want to take into account the cost of provinces that don't already belong to you, but that you'll sooner or later conquer.

 

[th3freakie]

Wow that's... that's... gamey Already converted I'm afraid - even had a lukcy 4 first missonary missions, too late to go back now.

Dauphiné (sp?) converted to Reformed too curiously so all of France is now on it's way to become a reformed nation. And then, we shall crush the Pope! wuahahhaha!

 

[unmerged(45766)]

Gamey ? why ? it's not using an exploit, just making a decision based on economic interests, and minimizing the expenses.

 

[th3freakie]

Gamey ? why ? it's not using an exploit, just making a decision based on economic interests, and minimizing the expenses.

That's no basis for deciding your religion! The French and Dutch people have had enough with Papist dogs telling us how we should live our relation with our Lord Jesus Christ - but no more! We regect the Pope's biding and embrace The Chruch of Burgundia

Serious now, thanks for the effort, but not only is it too late already, I don't like to overcalculate games - political moves are more fun if they have some "leap of faith" element to it.

Gamey, at least to me, doesn't mean exploit, it means analysing the game as.. well a game. Wich it is of course, but it kinda spoils the historical feel of it.

 

[unmerged(45766)]

That's no basis for deciding your religion! The French and Dutch people have had enough with Papist dogs telling us how we should live our relation with our Lord Jesus Christ - but no more! We regect the Pope's biding and embrace The Chruch of Burgundia

Serious now, thanks for the effort, but not only is it too late already, I don't like to overcalculate games - political moves are more fun if they have some "leap of faith" element to it.

Gamey, at least to me, doesn't mean exploit, it means analysing the game as.. well a game. Wich it is of course, but it kinda spoils the historical feel of it.

Off course, if you based your decision on fun, so be it. I don't say I never base my decisions on what's fun*.


But you were asking if it's worthy to convert, so I answered : it depends. And gave the tools to get the ad hoc answer.


EDIT:* I once played an Aragon-Spain owning all of Iberia, Italy, Netherlands and most of France, along with dozens of colonies, and I decided to convert to reformism.

 

[th3freakie]

But you were asking if it's worthy to convert, so I answered : it depends. And gave the tools to get the ad hoc answer.

Aye. Kinda too late, but thanks anyhow I was more going for the "are the bonuses any decent?" simplier noobish question, but that would lead me to admit I never converted a country before. Ho, ups. o

I now see it probably wasn't the wisest of moves, but it's gona make getting those reformed french provinces spain (CRC) just got much more fun...

(how'd that spain of yours go?)