Converting cultures?

[madogvelkor]

Is there a way to convert province culture (other than natives) in the game? I'm reconquering Greece and Anatolia as Morea, and I'd like to kick those Turks out. Historically there was a mixed population in the area until the 19th and even 20th century, but there's no way to reflect this in EU3.

 

[robw963]

I think this verges on ethnic cleansing with is something Paradox expressly avoids in all their games. Kind of a touchy subject I think.

 

[The Witch-King]

I think this verges on ethnic cleansing with is something Paradox expressly avoids in all their games. Kind of a touchy subject I think.

I don't know about that. You can already exterminate natives.

 

[madogvelkor]

I think this verges on ethnic cleansing with is something Paradox expressly avoids in all their games. Kind of a touchy subject I think.

I was thinking more along the lines of promoting the greek culture that's already there. Culture spread, perhaps, as settlers alter the ethnic makup.

The problem with the current culture system is that it makes it seem like a given province is 100% a given culture. In reality, the dominate culture might just be one of many and in it's position only becuase they share state culture. There were Saxons in Romania and Ukraine, after all.

Maybe a solution could be to allow a province to have two cultures...

Or an event to simulate things like Spain expelling the Moors, where you have an option to alter a minority culture at a cost.

 

[Bakunin]

Possibility

Here something odd that happened to me in a game as Vijayanagar. I eventually conquered and annexed the Oirat Horde. After converting a province from Shamanism to Hinduism, the culture for the province also changed from Mongol to my main culture, Kannada. I have trying to replicate this. Weird, huh? I wonder if this was a bug or WAD.

 

[robw963]

As inconvenient as it is in the game, I like the fact that cultural identity is stubbornly persistant in a province after being conquered. It just seems realistic to me. Surely great examples of that would be the Scots after being subjegated by England; Poles, Lithuanians and Ukrainians after being subjegated by Russia; The Greeks after being conquered by the Ottomans, etc.

But I admit, I kind of like the idea of being able to send settlers to provinces with non-accepted cultures and being able to force the cultural mix in your favor. Problem is, I personally can't think of any specific examples (during the time frame of the game) where something like this occurred outside of the colonization escapades in the New World.

 

[unmerged(32738)]

Just convert them. They will acquire your national culture.

 

[Nimic]

Just convert them. They will acquire your national culture.

That only works with pagans.

 

[unmerged(68603)]

In my game that I'm playing Spain, I acquired Portugal through Royal Marriage and at some point I got a message saying that Portuguese is now part of your cultural group. It seems that your country can assimilate other cultures.

 

[unmerged(67849)]

I just read a part in the manual that said over time a culture will become accepted by your nation. So no you can't go in and tell the cosmpolitan French to be more Burgundian, but eventually your people can learn to share a Coke and live in harmony.

 

[RobRoy3]

I just read a part in the manual that said over time a culture will become accepted by your nation. So no you can't go in and tell the cosmpolitan French to be more Burgundian, but eventually your people can learn to share a Coke and live in harmony.

But if you colonize much, your people will eventually forget how to live in harmony and will stop accepting other cultures.

Cultural changes could occasionally happen in EU2, but won't in EU3, except for pagans.

 

[dharper]

Here something odd that happened to me in a game as Vijayanagar. I eventually conquered and annexed the Oirat Horde. After converting a province from Shamanism to Hinduism, the culture for the province also changed from Mongol to my main culture, Kannada. I have trying to replicate this. Weird, huh? I wonder if this was a bug or WAD.

That's WAD. When you convert the religion of pagans (which includes shamanists) they change to your culture as well. Otherwise it would be hard to replicate the United States.

 

[unmerged(45202)]

I remember that you could kick the turks out of Greece and Anatolia in EU2 if you put the fantasy events on as Byzantium.
Also, the reason many subdued european cultures did not get assimilated was because the monarchs simply had no interest to. The idea of a nation state only came into practise in the 19th century, where infact a lot of cultures got assimilated. With crafty expulsions, and forced schooling, many cultures such as the Czechs and Poles were getting germanized, while cultures such as the crimeans were pretty much eradicated.

 

[Stingray]

As inconvenient as it is in the game, I like the fact that cultural identity is stubbornly persistant in a province after being conquered. It just seems realistic to me. Surely great examples of that would be the Scots after being subjegated by England; Poles, Lithuanians and Ukrainians after being subjegated by Russia; The Greeks after being conquered by the Ottomans, etc.

But I admit, I kind of like the idea of being able to send settlers to provinces with non-accepted cultures and being able to force the cultural mix in your favor. Problem is, I personally can't think of any specific examples (during the time frame of the game) where something like this occurred outside of the colonization escapades in the New World.

Scania in southern Sweden would be a good example. It was very effectively ethnically cleansed in the end of the 17th century. Iberia is also a good example, expelling the moors.

 

[robw963]

Scania in southern Sweden would be a good example. It was very effectively ethnically cleansed in the end of the 17th century. Iberia is also a good example, expelling the moors.

good point. ok, so maybe they should allow some sort of "ethnic conversion". But it's a slippery slope and I can just see all kinds of hellfire coming from certain people...Armenians perhaps?

 

[SonofWinter]

I'm sorry but if you have a complaint about ethnic conversion then you've got issues. Ethnic cleansing I can understand but ethnic conversion is a different ball of wax. We here in the US are all ethnic converts. No cleansing just conversion.

 

[unmerged(67880)]

No cleansing just conversion

A few million dead Native Americans just might disagree.

 

[Featauril]

What about the fact that there is no ukrainian province in 1453? The ukrainian provinces are all mongol or tartar. Those are nomads, the majority should leave when I conquer them, no?

 

[unmerged(38905)]

The romans built colonias, city districts populated by romans, in each city they conquered. With time the administrative, military and technological language of the natives got more and more latin words. It was seen as sign of high education to speak latin and read latin texts. So the native culture was step by step reworked into one more and more compatible with the empires culture. Hermann the Cherusk for example, or "Arminius", as the Romans called him, the great hero of the german tribes, who defeated the Romans, was culturally seen in fact more Roman himself than German.

I think there should be a culture conversion after a given time. Depending on province/state religion, ease of integration (a Pole or Czech can integrate into the saxon culture much faster than a Berber or a Bantu), maybe stability and such things.

 

[unmerged(8351)]

A few million dead Native Americans just might disagree.

Yes until very recently in the US the schools basically acted like that didn't happen