Conundrum, or I miss 1.07

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I'll try to get the stats for you tomorrow, Daniel A.
I didn't get to play over the weekend, but IIRC it's 1617. Just reached the Pacific coast. I have several cities in the corridors, and many unfinished colonies. While I think of it, do you guys build city walls in the middle of the corridor? I don't need them for defence, but wondered if there were benefits that make them worthwhile.
I have vassalized Georgia, but haven't annexed (hoping that they'll convert the Muslim provinces I helped them gain) That's where my money is going: conversions. Sibir is out of the way, and I'll deal with the Nogai and Kazakhs soon. Sweden I will leave alone for the foreseeable future; no need to tangle with Gustavus. Poland is still on the menu, but there is lots of time for them. Revenge deferred is sweeter ...
I have 3 FAAs and one refinery (the 2nd burned down ...) I just hit naval 11, so I've invested in a shipyard in Crimea (it may not be necessary, but the way I'm role-playing, it makes sense)
On the good luck front: 2 deflation events. No complaint there.

 

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I'll try to get the stats for you tomorrow, Daniel A.
I didn't get to play over the weekend, but IIRC it's 1617. Just reached the Pacific coast. I have several cities in the corridors, and many unfinished colonies. While I think of it, do you guys build city walls in the middle of the corridor? I don't need them for defence, but wondered if there were benefits that make them worthwhile.
I have vassalized Georgia, but haven't annexed (hoping that they'll convert the Muslim provinces I helped them gain) That's where my money is going: conversions. Sibir is out of the way, and I'll deal with the Nogai and Kazakhs soon. Sweden I will leave alone for the foreseeable future; no need to tangle with Gustavus. Poland is still on the menu, but there is lots of time for them. Revenge deferred is sweeter ...
I have 3 FAAs and one refinery (the 2nd burned down ...) I just hit naval 11, so I've invested in a shipyard in Crimea (it may not be necessary, but the way I'm role-playing, it makes sense)
On the good luck front: 2 deflation events. No complaint there.

Thanks Notomol!

Considering forts in the corridor. No, I do not build such. In fact I very rarely build any forts at all. It's one of the huge money-wasting investments there are.

I once played Mongolia in the MES mod and then I spread forts all over the corridor since I had a lot of troops marching in that area.

Funny about Georgia. Since they grew very big in my game (they eliminated the ottomans!) you are the third player to report extraordinary performance by them. When I finally diploannexed them around 1700 they had nearly 15 provinces IIRC.

Regarding "two deflation events": do you really mean the "deflation event" (I thought you couldn't get the deflation event until after 1600 or so - correct me if I am wrong) or do you mean the exceptional year event? I had two exceptional years and no deflation event up to something like 1630/1640 IIRC. And that is pure bad luck.

 

[Iasius]

Year  Sta Income                      CTax Manu   No Prov     BB        Tech     IN   PE  TE  T%  StaC   MPp/support    
1450  0   13.8  3.4  0.9   0 = 18.7d  57   0      12+0+0 = 12  1.5/38   1-1-2-2  2.8  24  36  X   215     24/ 35
1505  +2  29.2  9.0  1.4   0 = 39.6d  173  0      28+0+0 = 28 14.0/39   2-2-2-3  9.4  29  32  X   548     74/110
1553  +3  42.7 15.9  1.7 6.7 = 67.5d  253  0      37+0+0 = 37 15.8/43   2-2-3-4  9.6  41  31  X   492    128/188

Political Map
Kazan and Azow are Muslim, the other provinces are all orthodox. I just vassalized Lithuania, I intend to annex them before Poland inherits in 1567 and release them in 1572 as they own a lot of those orthodox provinces like Wallachia and Moldovia. I hope that'll work.
I'm about 50% done with Infra 5.

Bohemia chose not to be inheritied by Austria in 1526 ...
England still has French culture ...
That's Poland in southern Asia minor ...

Sliders in 1553:
aristocracy = 8
centralization = 8
innovative = 0
mercantilism = 3
offensive = 5
land = 10
quality = 5
serfdom = 8

I already got 5 exceptional years (the last one at 1% inflation in 1525) and 7! of those choose between instability and -innovative events which is why I'm at innovative 0. Awful for teching, but should be nice for colonizing soon.

 

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I have been really bussy with the two items in my signature. The new version of the guide and

He, that one is beatiful! Have you contacted Paradox. They must be interested in having you assisting them writing their next manual.

I will try and read it during the week. I just glanced and couldn't resist stopping at the trade chapter (being the first one to present the empty slot technique on these pages and together with Muizer it's strongest supporter ).

Fodoron! You write the EST is "slightly" better than batch sending. Huh! It's about twice as good in normal cases. The EST has a success rate of about 70% (proven by experience) while batch has around 33% (proven by logic and experience).

Batch sending is to be advised for

a) if you cannot stand the micromanagaing EST takes

b) in some rare situations (e.g. you just "have to" expand you presence in a certain COT)

c) late in the game when you have more merchants than there are empty slots: and then do not necessarily send "three", send as many you want, at least two, particularly to COTs where you have a monopoly because in those each "hit" give you one more slot

Thinking more about Paradox: perhaps they do not want a manual with such good advices: it appears they prefer manuals that leaves very much to the players to find out about.

EDIT

I now see that I am included in the acknowledgements... apparently I have read some early edition

 

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I now see that I am included in the acknowledgements... apparently I have read some early edition

When I first started writing the guide, I posted the first chapters in the forum, and you were one of several people that took the effort of reading those posts and suggests improvements.

I see for the EST suggestion that you keep at it. Good job and thanks.

 

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I already got 5 exceptional years (the last one at 1% inflation in 1525)

You lucky bastard!

 

[Iasius]

Hehe that's true, but I'm already at 16% again.

Sweden and Poland just DoWed in 1569 while I was busy in Sibir.
I had to give them 2+3 provinces for peace. I guess that's to be expected with 23 BB at VH/normal while I'm at land 2 and they're at 12 and 9 respectively.


Here's another political map (1571).

I think I'll try to bribe my way into an alliance with Autria, should be worth it.

 

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Sweden and Poland just DoWed in 1569 while I was busy in Sibir.
I had to give them 2+3 provinces for peace. I guess that's to be expected with 23 BB at VH/normal while I'm at land 2 and they're at 12 and 9 respectively.

...

I think I'll try to bribe my way into an alliance with Autria, should be worth it.

Might be cheaper to bribe Sweden and Poland and then RM them. Good relations and RM is 100% antiwar-sure, especially if you have low BB That's what I did in my game.

 

[Iasius]

Year  Sta Income                           CTax Manu  No Prov     BB        Tech       IN   PE  TE  T%  StaC    MPp/support    
1450  0   13.8   3.4   0.9     0 =  18.7d  57    0   12+ 0+ 0 =  12  1.5/38   1-1-2-2  2.8  24  36  X   215     24/ 35
1505  +2  29.2   9.0   1.4     0 =  39.6d  173   0   28+ 0+ 0 =  28 14.0/39   2-2-2-3  9.4  29  32  X   548     74/110
1553  +3  42.7  15.9   1.7   6.7 =  67.5d  253   1   37+ 0+ 0 =  37 15.8/43   2-2-2-4  9.6  41  31  X   492    128/188
1600  +2  63.1  32.7   2.5  14.4 = 112.7d  401   1   58+ 8+ 0 =  66 17.5/44   3-2-2-5 34.9  49  32  X   638    196/292
1650  +2  94.5  49.6  58.9  20.3 = 223.4d  480   0   75+10+ 0 =  85 10.6/46   6-3-5-5  9.8  54  56  X   478    211/369
1700  +2 181.8  79.0 186.9  73.2 = 521.4d  595  25  102+10+ 0 = 112  1.9/48  10-4-8-5 21.4  52 107  X  1384    211/434

Way too much inflation for my taste in 1600, but governors and additional luck with events helped (-15 from events, this makes a total of 8!!! deflation/exceptional year events)
My alliance with Austra is great though, Poland beat me up, but Austria beat them up, allowing a white peace. Relations with Sweden and Poland deteriorate too quickly because I have some of their cores. Bribing Austria is cheaper.
I foresee a century of only defensive wars, colonizing, no minting at all and waiting impatiently for inflation to go down so my research picks up. The 18th century should see some warfare fun again.

The hundred years ... erm I mean 350 years war hasn't ended yet so England still has French culture.

1600: Political map
No big changes in Europe in the last 100 years.

I researched land 9 in 1680.

 

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You are correct, Daniel A - I had exceptional years, not deflation.
My #s from 1617 (playing 1.07 vanilla)
Land 15 Naval 11 Stab +3 Trade 6 Infra 5
Census 406 Gold 185 Manus 30 taxation 390 tolls 269 trade 648 tariffs 117 Inflation 0.1
Manpower 79 Maintenance: Naval 55 ( I have no ships!) land 191
55 cities, 7 colonies
Prod efficiency 53% TE 61% BB12.4
Sliders: aristo 7 central 10 inno 4 merc 1 offensive 4 land 4
qual 4 serf 7
I will gradually fill in the Siberian corridor and the Far East (no great rush, since I have lots of cash and time). I hope for a random explorer so I can see what lies beyond Kamchatka. I would also like to discover a few more COTs (but I won't trade maps to get them)
The Uzbeks are last on my last, but the Kurds may be due for a beating (they hold one of my cores, plus it would nice to get something for my Georgian allies)
The Ottos are falling apart - Wallachia, Bulgaria and Serbia are independent again. RMs for me, then, but no alliances. I don't want to get drawn into wars there - yet.
Instead, I will wait for Peter and the 18th century to make my moves against the Poles and Swedes.
For now: a balance between colonies and converting the Hordes.

 

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Hehehe, I love that political map, though it is sad to see the French finally making inroads on the English. How often do you see Poland go WEST?

lawkeeper and robin74, I think you over-complicated the issue. If you divide your yearly trade income by your TE, the resulting number would be the "value" of your trade for the year. Divide this by the total trade value for all CoT's and you have your "share" of the world's trade. The fact that your DP slider settings and your tech level potentially limit your ability to take monetary advantage of your trade potential doesn't change this. Of course, in such a calculation, if one did it for all the countries in the world, there would be some left-over unused "share" from slots in CoT's not filled by anyone.

Still, this would be a fair representation of your "share" of the world's trade, in the sense of indicating what percentage of the trade generated by the world you have captured through mercantile activities. If you want to know your share of the world's trade income, you would have to look at the save game file and extract for each country the income from trade, add it up, and use that total as the denominator to your own country's trade income as a numerator.

 

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lawkeeper and robin74, I think you over-complicated the issue. If you divide your yearly trade income by your TE, the resulting number would be the "value" of your trade for the year. Divide this by the total trade value for all CoT's and you have your "share" of the world's trade. The fact that your DP slider settings and your tech level potentially limit your ability to take monetary advantage of your trade potential doesn't change this. Of course, in such a calculation, if one did it for all the countries in the world, there would be some left-over unused "share" from slots in CoT's not filled by anyone.

Uh ? That's exactly what I meant. Wasn't I clear ? :wacko:

 

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Year  Sta Income                           CTax Manu  No Prov     BB        Tech       IN   PE  TE  T%  StaC    MPp/support    
1700  +2 181.8  79.0 186.9  73.2 = 521.4d  595  25  102+10+ 0 = 112  1.9/48  10-4-8-5 21.4  52 107  X  1384    211/434

Way too much inflation for my taste in 1600, but governors and additional luck with events helped (-15 from events, this makes a total of 8!!! deflation/exceptional year events)

Iasius,

You have even worse techs than I have. This makes my day

I gotta check my number of inflation reduction events when I come home. Eight in 250 years is awesome!

 

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I researched land 9 in 1680.

Is it correct to assume that you have not invested one ducat into Land since the start of the game? If so, quite an interesting approach

 

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I am having the worst war of my EU2 life, and from all enemies, this are just pagans . Arrrgh!

I left the Mogols on their own for too long. I came to kill them in 1690, and they are at Land 12 (is this a record for a pagan?). All my nearby provinces have ridiculous supply limits of 5 in summer and zero in winter. Hey I don't waste money on fortifications, but I waste huge on attrition. Some mogol provinces are already at fortress level 3, and despite my Land level 18 and +1 to fire and shock, my assaults fail in 90% of the attempts. I have lost already over 150,000 men and I still have to conquer 3 provinces after 3 years. The country is filled with rivers and mountains, and winter comes early. Finally I decided to make cannons (never used them before against pagans). I will kill them, but...

Do not make my mistake. Kill them, kill all those damm mogols at the first chance (nobody mogol reading this right?).

 

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Iasius,

You have even worse techs than I have. This makes my day

I gotta check my number of inflation reduction events when I come home. Eight in 250 years is awesome!

Just a bit lucky.

Remember there're two Exceptional Year events available at all times, and after 1600 a Deflation event. Given a hundred random events available overal, and an average of one event every year, this makes 4 events for the whole 1400-1600, and three events during 1600-1700, for an averaged total of 7.

I remember that with England (my economical powerhouse of late), I got 7 events before 1550. :rofl: That's really out of the way (but explained by the RNG of the game...), but 8 instead of 7 is not so weird.

 

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Just a bit lucky.

Remember there're two Exceptional Year events available at all times, and after 1600 a Deflation event. Given a hundred random events available overal, and an average of one event every year, this makes 4 events for the whole 1400-1600, and three events during 1600-1700, for an averaged total of 7.

I remember that with England (my economical powerhouse of late), I got 7 events before 1550. :rofl: That's really out of the way (but explained by the RNG of the game...), but 8 instead of 7 is not so weird.

Yeah, that England game must have been something of a top-ten-ever games. Really sorry you lost the save

BTW, a little "unfair" to get them as England, since they have their ordinary deflation events as well.

I'd still be very interested if you started up a Novogord game in Vanilla and tried to maximise your techs around 1550 and see what you get, if you can get close to 9-11-4-5 as I wrote above. I will allow you to restart the game until Muscowy from start gets in another war as well as the one against you (that happened to me on my second try and it was very lucky for me).

 

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I am having the worst war of my EU2 life, and from all enemies, this are just pagans . Arrrgh!

Uuh! This sounds horrible. But from your stats I imagine you have to few man in your assaults. Failed assaults often costs more than the extra attrition you will suffer from going in with 20-30.000 more men, or whatever it takes. How many do you need?

But if they have medium fortresses in mountains and are only 2 CRT levels behind you (and only 6 tech steps) it might be close to impossible, presupposing realistic number of men and artillery and no Leaders.

I don't envy you

PS. I take for granted that you are attacking from both ends?

 

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I usually have from 2-3 more men that in the fortress, and yes, I come from everywhere, but it is painful to raise meaningful armies from 1-2000 men provinces. Those damm pagans defend themselves better than expected.

 

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I am having the worst war of my EU2 life, and from all enemies, this are just pagans . Arrrgh!

I left the Mogols on their own for too long. I came to kill them in 1690, and they are at Land 12 (is this a record for a pagan?). All my nearby provinces have ridiculous supply limits of 5 in summer and zero in winter. Hey I don't waste money on fortifications, but I waste huge on attrition. Some mogol provinces are already at fortress level 3, and despite my Land level 18 and +1 to fire and shock, my assaults fail in 90% of the attempts. I have lost already over 150,000 men and I still have to conquer 3 provinces after 3 years. The country is filled with rivers and mountains, and winter comes early. Finally I decided to make cannons (never used them before against pagans). I will kill them, but...

Do not make my mistake. Kill them, kill all those damm mogols at the first chance (nobody mogol reading this right?).

Are you playing with AGCEEP ? Because in the 1500s (end of the century), they got an event destroying all their fortresses. That's when I found myself at war with them : you only have to beat their troops (which aren't too numerous), and no sieges to do.