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Also, without WWI we would have no machine guns. I think that we could replace the current sprites with sprites of infantry firing rifles(then again I have no idea how much time that would take for such a small modding group)

Sir Hiram Maxim would be quite amused by this statement, since he invented the first self-powered machine gun in 1884.

The nuke. No WW1, no big slaughter in the trenches. No WW2, no Iwo Jima, no Saipan, no Tarawa, no need to counter the assumed Nazi German atomic bomb project... Shall I follow?
 

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Truebrit, are you sure you don't want to try to learn how to mod HOI2(it does not take that long)

Thank you for the offer! I have no objection to being taught something new, and I have no doubt I would find it interesting. However, I doubt whether I would have the time to give you guys any constructive help with this mod. Or to design any mods myself.
 

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Sir Hiram Maxim would be quite amused by this statement, since he invented the first self-powered machine gun in 1884.

The nuke. No WW1, no big slaughter in the trenches. No WW2, no Iwo Jima, no Saipan, no Tarawa, no need to counter the assumed Nazi German atomic bomb project... Shall I follow?

How embarrassing...I'm pretending this bit about the machine gun was never posted by me
 
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Would worker rebellions and general strikes, fueled by syndicalist/communist movements, be more or less widespread in a world where WWI never happened?

How long do you guys think the Russian Empire, under the oppressive Czarist system, would actually last in a post-failed Russian Revolution Russia until a second revolution happened? Would the success of the White Russian forces keep the Russian people in line, or would the communist movement continue to plot against the Czar for decades after until the elite could not hold on to power any longer?

What would come of America if WWI never happened? How long could it maintain a policy of isolationism?
 

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I don't think you can put exact timescales on these. I think you could predict another revolution in Czarist Russia happening if the 1917 revolution had failed. How long before it happened would depend on how oppresive the post- revolution effects were. Perhaps 10 years or 20 years at most;enough time for the next generation of revolutionaries to grow up and get organised. Whether it would be communist, syndicalist, anarchist or liberal democrat is anyones guess!

America tried to return to isolationism after WW1 but Pearl Harbour proved it could not. Sooner or later the USA would find itself with no option but to get involved with the rest of the world. Only internal conflict, say a second civil war, would counter this.
 

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And consider that, without WW1, no female vote, no female workers, nothing.
 

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Ok.
Nuclear power would be ok. Coz the project of Nucear Research started before I war
Russia is planed to be Market Liberal after Tsarist Reform. There yet was revolution, terroristic comunist revolution in Empire and Polish Kingdom aswel.
WAT? No female votes? Swedish think different. Give women voiting rights!
 

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I am working on Domestic events(USA only) right now. I'm working on the Cabal events(idea is to put the player "in charge" of the coup as "the leader"), Communist dissidents/revolts,The falling apart of the nation/civil war, and various economic/other reforms the player can pass that can make or break the Union.

Right now I'm adding choice_a branching off option for Cabal event section called The 22nd Amendment. It is an attempt to soften Communist rebellions in the US so the coup can go along with no opposition. choice_b, however is my favorite. Just completely abolish democracy in the US and take over the government right away. causes 40 dissent and leads to a series of events that eventually make the US a fascist nation state hell bent on conquering the North American continent...or cause the US to crash in burn from within. choice_c results in prepartions for invasion of Mexico.

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WAT? No female votes? Swedish think different. Give women voiting rights!

Sweden may think different, but without the compulsory need of sending women to the industries to cover the places of men send to the front, I don't think that anyone else would be to thrilled to try that.
 

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Sweden may think different, but without the compulsory need of sending women to the industries to cover the places of men send to the front, I don't think that anyone else would be to thrilled to try that.
Tell that your girlfriend/wife or mother that you think that they do not need voitng rights.
 

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It wasn't until 1928 when women in the United Kingdom finally achieved suffrage on the same terms as men. No WW1 and you can put back the clock quite easily ten years or more. Perhaps 1936 would be marked by huge suffraggette protests...
 

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We absolutely agree, then. :D
 

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True. It would take decades for women to get suffrage without the First World War. But it would eventually happen, just at a later date.

Just about ~1930
 

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Another thing we wouldn't have in this world is workers rights. The German Empire was always trying to stamp out worker unionism and avoid paying above minimum wage or making sure the work conditions were safe. Most of the world was anti-Communist. You could be accused of being a Commie for asking your boss for higher wages.

World Socialist Alliance of nations dedicated to overthrowing the greedy capitalists through World Revolution, anyone?
 

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On the other side of the argument from New Zealand is Switzerland. Women did not get the vote until 1959, and then only in some cantons. They got the right to vote in federal elections in 1971. The last canton did not grant the vote to women until 1990. Whether this is connected to the fact that the Swiss have been neutral since the mid-19th century is worth considering. Stress causes change, peace encourages stability.