should we make the CSA from scratch or could we include the CSA country mod into our own mod(with credits off course). Maybe we could get permission?
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also, any word on potential modders joining this project? Do you know of anyone in your contacts list that might be able to join?
Who will be president of the CSA? Any possible '30's era people who could have been the leaders of the CSA?
And, have we decided who will lead the United States?
And, have we decided who will lead the United States?
From Scrach less or more. We need to check USA minister List for people asciotiated with South and get them from USA file into CSA one.
Huey Long could be interesting as CSA Head of State and Governement.
Al Smith then Coup d etat and MacArthur
agreed.
event Idea for German Empire: Adolf Hitler, who in "TWTNW remake world" is a famous artist living in Berlin. In this world, the Academy of Fine Arts in Vienna accepted him into the academy, and his artwork is now known throughout the world as true master pieces. He still writes Mein Kampf though, but can't really affect politics, which is limited to him speaking out against Jews/minorities in interviews. A Nazi-like party is still formed however, but is a lot weaker(almost non existent in politics, infact) than the historical Nazi Party. Through a series of events, they can attempt to rise to power still.
event Idea for German Empire: Adolf Hitler, who in "TWTNW remake world" is a famous artist living in Berlin. In this world, the Academy of Fine Arts in Vienna accepted him into the academy, and his artwork is now known throughout the world as true master pieces. He still writes Mein Kampf though, but can't really affect politics, which is limited to him speaking out against Jews/minorities in interviews. A Nazi-like party is still formed however, but is a lot weaker(almost non existent in politics, infact) than the historical Nazi Party. Through a series of events, they can attempt to rise to power still.
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If we ever need old late 1800's-early 1900's music then we may be able to try our luck at the Internet Archive. It has a ton of public domain classical music from that era. I also have an idea to replace the default HOI2 intro movie with stock footage of battles set to something atmospheric like Ride of the Valkyrie.
I would suggest to remove/edit this Picture immediately because of several Swastikas i can see...
I was using GIP so it replaced the censored flag for Germany. That was bad judgment for me to upload the image.
WILD MACARTHUR APPEARED!!
MacArthur is using coup d'etat!
It's super effective
DEMOCRATIC UNITED STATES FAINTED!!
MacArthur is using coup d'etat!
It's super effective
DEMOCRATIC UNITED STATES FAINTED!!
Yes, this is my first post on this forum! I'm not a modder, just a player, so I can't help you guys with this. Apart from providing moral support or feedback on ideas. I've been playing HOI2 since it came out but have become interested in playing mods in the last year or so. I'm playing PTEAP at the moment and I'm enjoying it, but the tech tree isn't a comfortable fit with the alternate history. For example, no WW1=no trench warfare. No trench warfare= no tanks. No tanks=no Blitzkrieg. Have you had any ideas on this, either changing the tech tree or inventing an alternate origin for tanks?
Tanks are high speed self moving artilery isn't it? So it would be invented anyway. Those could be more like Ferdinand/Elephant but still a tank. Blitzkreig idea would also invented, why? All countries are showing their muscles like Soviet Union with battle game on Ukraine thus the evolution of miltary tactics are going forward, maybe slower than in real world but steadly.
But there is one thing I miss.. Zeppelins... Ah that would be hard to implement those
Neugh, the idea of a Tank predates WWI, but no one wanted to use them or thought they'd be any use, because they're too slow. The idea that any country would create self-propelled artillery that was slower then horse drawn guns is quite odd
Most of the armies in 1914 left behind their artillery pieces because it was too slow compared to the speed of walking ...Furthermore, without a large European continental war, it's quite unplausible for there to be many massive technological advances (The French army's Blue/Red uniforms were outdated for 1870, let alone 1914) but a revolutionary change in doctrine? I can't see a doctrine which stresses the importance of combining the power of infantry, armour and airforce (Which itself may not even exist considering the oldest real airforce began in 1918) take over the proven and tested doctrine without any evidence.
Well, it's likely that you'll have to change the entire doctrine tech tree. But for earlier versions, you could just look at the 1914 Mod's tech tree, because little changes are made to doctrines during periods of peace. By all means include tanks, how could a post 1930 war game be without them?
But doctrine's should focus on using these tanks as modern cavalry, for recon. Such a stupid idea would still have been supported because there is no war to prove otherwise.
Great, I will make sure that v 0.4 will have modified tech treeWell, it's likely that you'll have to change the entire doctrine tech tree. But for earlier versions, you could just look at the 1914 Mod's tech tree, because little changes are made to doctrines during periods of peace. By all means include tanks, how could a post 1930 war game be without them?
I'd like to give my two cents on this debate. I agree with Gigalocus. However, I doubt tanks, planes, or any modern weaponry for 1936/40's would be in use if there was no WWI. Tanks were invented(concept had been around for prior to WWI) by those jolly blokes in Britannia because they were tired of getting shot at by German invented machine guns while they were trying to enjoy a nice hot cup of tea(I'm trying not to offend anyone here who is British, just being lighthearted). Really, they needed it to protect soldiers as they advanced through no man's land with the aid of the tank(they were designed to go right over trenches and were wide so you could duck behind one)
Oh ya and we would not have the landmine either because that came about as a counter to the British's "super weapon", the tank.
Machine Guns were, of course, invented by the ever innovative Germans(I should lay off the stereotypes) to help them kill those wimpy Frenchmen in the trenches better. No, not really. They were manufactured mainly as a cost cutting measure, as well as time saving weapon. Why spend a several months training a man to kill with a WWI era bolt action rifle when you can train him to use a machine gun in only a few weeks and kill dozens, if not hundreds of enemy soldiers on the frontline?
Now about planes. I suggest you read the book called "Flyboys", by James Bradley(he wrote flags of our fathers and letters from Iwo Jima, which were made into two great movies) to get an understanding of just how hard it was to get the plane into action. Basically, as a summary:
from wikipedia: ..."William Lendrum "Billy" Mitchell (December 28, 1879 – February 19, 1936) was a United States Army general who is regarded as the father of the U.S. Air Force.He is one of the most famous and most controversial figures in the history of American airpower" If you read this book you will see what a hellish nightmare it was for him to just suggest using planes in warfare. To the conservative naval and army generals of his time a plane was a flying piece of wood that you could sit in that was largely ineffective and did more damage to the pilot then to the enemy, and nothing more. He needed WWI, however, as a basis for why the plane could work(several examples from WWI would be used as part of his arguments for using the plane in warfare.) To them, battleships and infantry assaults were the order of the day(don't get me started on how he tried to convince them to use aircraft carriers, that's a whole other story.)
Oh ya and we would not have the landmine either because that came about as a counter to the British's "super weapon", the tank.
Machine Guns were, of course, invented by the ever innovative Germans(I should lay off the stereotypes) to help them kill those wimpy Frenchmen in the trenches better. No, not really. They were manufactured mainly as a cost cutting measure, as well as time saving weapon. Why spend a several months training a man to kill with a WWI era bolt action rifle when you can train him to use a machine gun in only a few weeks and kill dozens, if not hundreds of enemy soldiers on the frontline?
Now about planes. I suggest you read the book called "Flyboys", by James Bradley(he wrote flags of our fathers and letters from Iwo Jima, which were made into two great movies) to get an understanding of just how hard it was to get the plane into action. Basically, as a summary:
from wikipedia: ..."William Lendrum "Billy" Mitchell (December 28, 1879 – February 19, 1936) was a United States Army general who is regarded as the father of the U.S. Air Force.He is one of the most famous and most controversial figures in the history of American airpower" If you read this book you will see what a hellish nightmare it was for him to just suggest using planes in warfare. To the conservative naval and army generals of his time a plane was a flying piece of wood that you could sit in that was largely ineffective and did more damage to the pilot then to the enemy, and nothing more. He needed WWI, however, as a basis for why the plane could work(several examples from WWI would be used as part of his arguments for using the plane in warfare.) To them, battleships and infantry assaults were the order of the day(don't get me started on how he tried to convince them to use aircraft carriers, that's a whole other story.)
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also. Could we replace planes(which I must stress would not have a military use if their was no WWI- it be used only for civvie use for the most part) with airships(which by this point were already common even before WWI, ballooning as a weapon/recon vehicle dating back to the civil war)
also, armored cars could replace tanks. They served a similar purpose prior to WWI, used as troop transports and light support. However, it wasn't until after WWI that they played a much larger role in WWII(and with no WWI they would still be used as a minor role in conflicts)
Also, without WWI we would have no machine guns. I think that we could replace the current sprites with sprites of infantry firing rifles(then again I have no idea how much time that would take for such a small modding group)
If we do have planes they should serve a secondary role, as they had served during WWI.
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The tech tree could go like this:
-early: pre-WWI weapons/technology
-mid: technology and weapons commonly used in WWI
-late(late 40's-63): WWII era/more primitive cold war era weapons and tech(nukes may still be around, but keep in mind the nuke was only invented to defeat the Empire of the Rising Sun, which refused to surrender despite losing more then half of its entire navy, air force, and land divisions and being bombed to kingdom come with napalm.)
reason for this is tech/weapons would be decades behind the real world tech by the time WWI actually starts. And I don't actually think there would be a "cold war" in this world. I think it would have an inevitable WWII in the 1950's or '60's.(well, that is if the victors force the loser to sign a harsh treaty like the one the Entente made the central powers sign.)
Then again, why get rid of the most awesome weapon in the game, the nuke?
also, armored cars could replace tanks. They served a similar purpose prior to WWI, used as troop transports and light support. However, it wasn't until after WWI that they played a much larger role in WWII(and with no WWI they would still be used as a minor role in conflicts)
Also, without WWI we would have no machine guns. I think that we could replace the current sprites with sprites of infantry firing rifles(then again I have no idea how much time that would take for such a small modding group)
If we do have planes they should serve a secondary role, as they had served during WWI.
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The tech tree could go like this:
-early: pre-WWI weapons/technology
-mid: technology and weapons commonly used in WWI
-late(late 40's-63): WWII era/more primitive cold war era weapons and tech(nukes may still be around, but keep in mind the nuke was only invented to defeat the Empire of the Rising Sun, which refused to surrender despite losing more then half of its entire navy, air force, and land divisions and being bombed to kingdom come with napalm.)
reason for this is tech/weapons would be decades behind the real world tech by the time WWI actually starts. And I don't actually think there would be a "cold war" in this world. I think it would have an inevitable WWII in the 1950's or '60's.(well, that is if the victors force the loser to sign a harsh treaty like the one the Entente made the central powers sign.)
Then again, why get rid of the most awesome weapon in the game, the nuke?
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