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In the history thread both versions are stated, probably the results of re-writing in different times.
 

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Late in the war almost everyone piled on the winning side, even Argentina. The part we will have to debate is the relatively early involvement. It would make more sense to have the earliest people involved be volunteers, not associated with Eutopia, like the Flying Tigers who helped China against Japan before Pearl Harbor, who then re-incorporated into the Eutopian armed forces when Eutopia entered the war.
 

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If we say that only the Marines and the Paras (other than the patrolling navy and Airforce in Eutopia) partecipated in Europe war, we could say this:
-the paras (as i already written) were all voluntaries, fought with the british (much like the volunteers fighting in the british airforce duin Battle of Britain or even better like all the volunteers from all over europe enrolled in the Waffen SS, there were lots of english, italians, iugoslavians, belgium, scandinavians, french etc.) they were trained with the british paras, and were something like an Eutopian Voluteer Parachute Corps, an officially indipendent formation (to avoid problems with troops on foreign ground), even if they were all members of the Armed Forces. Some sort of political escamotage of the Eutopian government to partecipate the war without formally sending troops.
-the Marines on the other side were attached to the Americans (some sort of "something to all allies"), but we could substitute the Marines with a generical Eutopian Volunteers Brigade (i named brigade because it sounds better, but they could be only few hundreds).
THis unit also could be formed by armed forces personnel, but also from true volunteers willing to enter the war.

If we state that, i could say that the Volunteers Brigade dissolved after the war, and the Parachute volunteers returned home after the war and become the Eutopian Paras.
 

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If I edit your description, at the beginning to reflect volunteer origins:

After France was overrun in May-June of 1940 there were a number of Eutopian volunteers, either civilians or those resigning from the military, who went to Britain to try to stop the Axis onslaught. A couple of pilots fought in the later stages of the battle of Britain, one was killed. A group of 40 ex-Army personnel travelled to England and volunteered en-masse for the British Paras. The group trained at Manchester's Ringway airport.

On May 14 1943 Eutopia declared war on the Axis. The Armed forces weren't in shape for a full fledged war. Luckily a small group of high ranked officers were ready to look outside of Eutopia for new ideas and new tactics, factoring in the experience of Eutopian volunteers already serving.
The experience of land warfare in North Africa and Southern Italy were absorbed rapidly in the Eutopian forces.

The Marines were trained for amphibious landings and the Airforce worked hard studying the battle of Britain. The small group of 40 volunteers who had learned the basics of Parachute jumping, were reincorporated into the Eutopian Army. They came back to Eutopia to pass what they learned to the first unit of Eutopia paras.

The volunteers applications flocked, and a Company (temporarily named Royal Eutopian Parachutists) was rapidly formed, despite the scepticism of many ambients of the Army. This unit was attached to British 2nd Independent Parachute Brigade Group, 6th Parachute Btl just after the Brigade was retired from the first line in Italy and prepared to another front.

(from here on it could be the same)
 

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Josephus I said:
I was always under the impression that we were neutral in WW2....but I'm up for changing history... :)


The closest thing I can get from my reading is that Eutopia was Isolationist "UNTIL World War II", that part is certain. But it has been implied that they were active in the war, and that implied that they stayed out.

I think we can split the difference and claim they were a late entry (like much of the carribean and latin america) and did not declare war on Japan, only Germany.

But this is just a suggestion....
 

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The documents describing the Eutopian Military say the Eutopian Marines have WWII type landing craft but not which type.

I suggest the LCM http://www.ussrankin.org/id40.htm
They are made of steel, that's the main reason actually.
 

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HJ Tulp said:
The documents describing the Eutopian Military say the Eutopian Marines have WWII type landing craft but not which type.

I suggest the LCM http://www.ussrankin.org/id40.htm
They are made of steel, that's the main reason actually.


Is there anyone at all who disagrees with this, or has a counter suggestion? Any reason why they shouldn't be steel as opposed to another material?

Going once.....

Going twice....
 

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I think we need some clarification on what Sports are popular in Eutopia, because I don't want to be hosting a Cricket mach when no-one likes it. So for clarity, I propose this guide:

1.Association Football (especially in the Latin areas)
2.Rugby (Popular in French and Anglo areas)
3.American Football (only really in the Anglo areas)
4.Cricket (only popular in the Anglo areas, but less so than American Football)
5.Baseball (not very popular, but steadily gaining support)

I might later on do a more detailed version of this, but feel free to vote on it now.

I'll add my thoughts on it tommorow, I'm too tired to express them now sadly.
 

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Melanchthon.....um, oops, he's on saabatical. ;) This is then official notice that we will open a voting thread for the following topic:


HJ Tulp said:
The documents describing the Eutopian Military say the Eutopian Marines have WWII type landing craft but not which type.

I suggest the LCM http://www.ussrankin.org/id40.htm
They are made of steel, that's the main reason actually.


No amendments made by author or players.


- heagarty
 

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Eutopia in WWII

After France was overrun in May-June of 1940 there were a number of Eutopian volunteers, either civilians or those resigning from the military, who went to Britain to try to stop the Axis onslaught. A couple of pilots fought in the later stages of the battle of Britain, one was killed. A group of 40 ex-Army personnel travelled to England and volunteered en-masse for the British Paras. The group trained at Manchester's Ringway airport.

On May 14 1943 Eutopia declared war on the Axis. The Armed forces weren't in shape for a full fledged war. Luckily a small group of high ranking officers were ready to look outside of Eutopia for new ideas and new tactics, factoring in the experience of Eutopian volunteers already serving. The experience of land warfare in North Africa and Southern Italy were absorbed rapidly in the Eutopian forces.

The Marines were trained for amphibious landings and the Airforce worked hard studying the battle of Britain. The small group of 40 volunteers who had learned the basics of Parachute jumping, were reincorporated into the Eutopian Army. They came back to Eutopia to pass what they learned to the first unit of Eutopia paras.

The volunteers applications flocked, and a Company (temporarily named Royal Eutopian Parachutists) was rapidly formed, despite the scepticism of many ambients of the Army. This unit was attached to British 2nd Independent Parachute Brigade Group, 6th Parachute Btl just after the Brigade was retired from the first line in Italy and prepared to move to another front.
Eutopian Paras dropped with British, French and Americans units over Southern France, during Operation Dragoon (Eutopian Marines took part in the amphibious landing east of St. Raphael, as part of the American 36th Inf Division).
The operation was a success, the Eutopian Paras fought well and proved two things:
-Eutopia could be trusted as an Ally
-the Eutopian Paras were capable of accomplishing their goals, through hard training and dedication.
The Eutopian forces advanced with the Allies northwards, participating in no major combats. They were among the first troops to be sent home, being withdrawn back to Eutopia after May 1945, as they were not participating in the occupation of Germany.
 
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popular sports

Regarding sports: for participation in team sports, basketball requires less equipment than American football beyond the flag football stage, and thus given the influx of foreign players into the NBA, I think participation in basketball would be higher than American football, although as a spectator sport, Eutopians would probably prefer American football.

What sports would Eutopians have a chance at in the Olympics? Bahamas does well in track, but I wouldn't think that would be our specialty. Riding, sailing, or pistol shooting might be specialty sports that some Eutopians might excel in, given our background. Other possibilities include beach volleyball and whitewater kayaking or canoeing.
 
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How about a Eutopian Regiment serving in the Dieppe Raid?
 

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Eutopia in WWII

I was just summarizing for the point of voting, as requested by a mod. The Dieppe raid took place in 1942, the proposed item has Eutopia declaring war in 1943, so that wouldn't work. You are free to propose a completely different history, but that doesn't work as an addition to what Busco proposed.
 
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unclebryan said:
Regarding sports: for participation in team sports, basketball requires less equipment than American football beyond the flag football stage, and thus given the influx of foreign players into the NBA, I think participation in basketball would be higher than American football, although as a spectator sport, Eutopians would probably prefer American football.

What sports would Eutopians have a chance at in the Olympics? Bahamas does well in track, but I wouldn't think that would be our specialty. Riding, sailing, or pistol shooting might be specialty sports that some Eutopians might excel in, given our background. Other possibilities include beach volleyball and whitewater kayaking or canoeing.

A few terms back, PG Talbott sorta spearheaded Eutopian involvement in the Olympic games, though I'm not sure if anything ever came of it. We had a team and everything for the summer games, several events. Michael von Streusser tried out, and made the Table Tennis and Badminton teams. :D
 

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TOPIC: Remember to use "Topic"

Oh yeah. Because conversation will jump around between topics, please remember to use "TOPIC: (subject)" as a title for posts in this thread so readers can easily discern the WWII talk, from sports talk, from the hunt for the Celtic Wlak.

Thanks. :D
 

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TOPIC: I remembered to use TOPIC:! (I mean, sports. ;))

Regarding sports -- insofar as the general populace is a reflection of the playerbase, the two most popular sports should really be soccer and American football, the only two which have (IIRC) had successful player-involved leagues. As UB suggests, basketball would probably be popular, though I would imagine it would largely be at the level of high schools, colleges, and individuals -- questionable national popularity could well be the reason no player leagues ever formed.

With regards to your proposal specifically, Gonzo, I would suggest switching rugby and American football, and possibly bumping cricket down the list in favor of baseball and basketball. The rank order may also vary somewhat depending on what area you're looking at (for instance, soccer may lose a few points to American football if you're talking only about the UPE rather than the whole island of Eutopia.)
 

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The_Hawk said:
Regarding sports -- insofar as the general populace is a reflection of the playerbase, the two most popular sports should really be soccer and American football, the only two which have (IIRC) had successful player-involved leagues. As UB suggests, basketball would probably be popular, though I would imagine it would largely be at the level of high schools, colleges, and individuals -- questionable national popularity could well be the reason no player leagues ever formed.

With regards to your proposal specifically, Gonzo, I would suggest switching rugby and American football, and possibly bumping cricket down the list in favor of baseball and basketball. The rank order may also vary somewhat depending on what area you're looking at (for instance, soccer may lose a few points to American football if you're talking only about the UPE rather than the whole island of Eutopia.)

I based my ranking of Rugby on the fact that the sport is very popular in France and in the Colonies of the British Empire, such as SA and NZ, while American Football isn't that much popular outside of the US, and American Football would be competing against Rugby as well.

I will take Cricket down one and add Basketball to the end, as well as Lacrosse (we had a Lacrosse league??), though.
 

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TOPIC: Sports (Revised List)

1. Soccer
2. Rugby
3. American Football
4. Baseball
5. Cricket
6. Basketball
7. Lacrosse