Consulate of the Sea, form another nation allowed?

[sinisalo]

Going for Consulate of the Sea. Can I form Spain or Italy and still qualify for the achievement after that? I wouldn't mind replacing Aragon's ideas.

 

[Rikissa]

achievement_consulate_of_the_sea = {
 id = 195

 possible = {
  NOT = { num_of_custom_nations = 1 }
  normal_or_historical_nations = yes
  normal_province_values = yes
  ironman = yes
  start_date = 1444.11.11
  tag = ARA
 }

 happened = {
  owns = 101 #Genoa
  owns = 112 #Venice
  owns = 151 #Constantinople
  owns = 137 #Ragusa
  owns = 220 #Valencia
  owns = 317 #Bursa
  owns = 336 #Tlemcen
  owns = 341 #Tunis
  owns = 358 #Alexandria
 }

It seems forming another nation is allowed, you just have to start as Aragon

 

[sinisalo]

What would that file say if you needed to stay Aragon? Thanks.

 

[Rikissa]

achievement_lucky_lucca = {
 id = 142

 possible = {
  NOT = { num_of_custom_nations = 1 }
  normal_or_historical_nations = yes 
  normal_province_values = yes
  ironman = yes
  start_date = 1444.11.11
  tag = LUC
 }

 happened = {
  has_switched_nation = no
  tag = LUC
  owns_core_province = 523 #Lucknow
 }

 

[sinisalo]

I see. Perfect. Thanks very much.

 

[sinisalo]

Since Spain would be the obvious choice here, I decided to try to form Italy. After integrating Naples, Neopolitan became dominant, 32% to 27% Catalan. So I moved my capital to Naples. But no culture shift decision is available. I see it requires 50% of development. Did this change? I thought it only needed to be dominant, disregarding actual percentages.

What's the best way to go about this? I could manually start converting provinces to swing the percentages, but that's fairly expensive and takes a long time in my experience. What about reverting Catalan states to territories? If you found yourself in this situation and wanted to culture shift to form Italy, what would you do?

 

[The Custodian]

Culture seems to require being 51%, the easy way to achieve this is messing with your states and reverting all the non Neopolitan culture states to territories. Afterwards you just spend the 100 diplo and your done. The most annoying part is reallocating the Estates so you can revert to territories.

 

[sinisalo]

That's what I was thinking as well, thanks. But if I then want to revert the Catalan territories to states once more, would it require the admin coring costs a second time?

 

[hajutze]

As far as I know you'll have to 2nd core them again.

 

[sinisalo]

So the choice is between manual conversion and the high Dip cost/long conversion time versus high admin cost/shorter time should I revert those territories to states.

 

[sinisalo]

I did shift around the estates and territories and it worked fine, became Neopolitan and later formed Italy. Of course I just started removing the estates without reassigning them right away, so broke the floor and fought off a few small rebel stacks. But in the end all was well. The admin cost was fairly stiff for restoring statehood to the Iberian provinces, but in the end it was worth it because I could do the culture shift immediately. Thanks for the help.

 

[TheMeInTeam]

achievement_lucky_lucca = {
 id = 142

 possible = {
  NOT = { num_of_custom_nations = 1 }
  normal_or_historical_nations = yes 
  normal_province_values = yes
  ironman = yes
  start_date = 1444.11.11
  tag = LUC
 }

 happened = {
  has_switched_nation = no
  tag = LUC
  owns_core_province = 523 #Lucknow
 }

To further clarify: has_switched_nation refers to "play as subject", not formation decisions.

The reason you must stay as Lucca for "lucky Lucca" is the "tag = LUC" line under "happened" specifically.

 

[sinisalo]

But it still stands that I can gain the achievement as Italy, right? Too late if not!

 

[TheMeInTeam]

But it still stands that I can gain the achievement as Italy, right? Too late if not!

Yes, because there is no tag designated under "happened". It appears you could even play as a released subject from Aragon and STILL get the achievement, in addition to safely forming whatever you want.

So obviously you should complete the achievement as Sokoto.

 

[WorldEnder]

helpful thread and replies.

 

[afb]

Aragon does have a little bit of culture conversion cost reduction, so I guess you could try to build on that (Religious idea group + Religious/Influence policy) and convert your way to 50%, but I'm not sure it's worth it.