am i correct in thinking that you cannot turn a monarchy into a democracy? even with reforms etc such as free partys?
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Actually, you can go directly from monarchy to democracy. It kinda bugs me, because I can't really see many of the absolute monarchies of the early part of the period just vanishing (rather than becoming constitutional monarchies, which is plausible), which is why I rarely go from monarchy->democracy.
There's two methods in which you can. You have rebels occupy the capital for long enough and have a democratic revolution, but that is hit and miss. The only sure fire way to do it is appoint an anarcho-liberal party (reactionary won't work as they're happy with the monarchy), which at the end of the month will proclaim a presidential dictatorship. Then you change your political parties reform to 'Right to Ban', which changes the constitution to a two-party system. Now you just appoint whichever party you would like in power (but it must not be anarcho-liberal or reactionary, or you'll go back to a dictatorship), set your parties reform to 'All Allowed' and voting to 'Suffrage', and at the end of the month you'll become a democracy.
No, no, that's a revolution! I meant the dynasty peacefully abdicating and giving up power to the people, which is more like what the direct monarchy->democracy transition is. I mean, I could sorta see it if the dynasty died out or something...but none of the absolutist dynasties of this period (peacefully) died out of their own accord. But a revolution transforming a monarchy to a democracy? Yeah, of course that makes sense.
And since no one seems to know, here's how to transition directly from a monarchy to a democracy, peacefully:
1. Set your voting rights to "Universal Suffrage"
2. Set parties to "Free Parties"
That's it! At the end of the month the "Reforms change Constitution" event will fire and you'll be a democracy. (I just tested this with Russia)
And since no one seems to know, here's how to transition directly from a monarchy to a democracy, peacefully:
1. Set your voting rights to "Universal Suffrage"
2. Set parties to "Free Parties"
That's it! At the end of the month the "Reforms change Constitution" event will fire and you'll be a democracy. (I just tested this with Russia)
I have never seen that happen. I have only seen a monarchy transition to a constitutional monarchy via the method you described. Revolution, or transitioning to a presidential dictatorship are the only ways I ever been able to achieve it. I don't see the latter as gamey either, there are plenty of examples where a monarch/state leader appointed a demagogue that then overthrew the state and established a new one (i.e. Hitler, Mussolini).
I quite agree that the latter is in no way gamey or unrealistic...but I did test direct transition on Russia in the 1836 scenario, vanilla Ricky from Gamersgate w/OHGamer's hotfixes, and it worked just as I said. (And I just tested it on the Ottomans too, same scenario & version, and again I went straight from monarchy to democracy)Xanthippus said:
Hmmm, well, if you wanted to push a point, the end of the French monarchy in the nineteenth century was (relatively!) peaceful in its transition of power.
1830 and then 1848 weren't peacefull nor legal.
1848 was a parision mob coup, ignorant of the rest of the country; 1830 was a Orleans-manipulated coup.
Even more, I think vicky's system to be good: Conmon are just democracies (more or less extended) and "democracies" in game represent republics.
In these years way of speaking (at least in French political speach of early-mid XIXth), democracy/democratic was seen suspiciously, as a rule of the mob. Democracy did not mean "democratic" but was more linked to what happened in France during the First republic.
With the United States' and French 3rd Republic's experiences, democracy lost this negative side. So, in Vicky, it's quite tricky, but both as "republic" (that can also be a dictatorship) isn't in game, they went for "democracy".
A good idea could have been to add two regimes: constitutionnal (or representative) Republic and representative/parlementarian monarchy (reflecting late game or largely moderate/weak monarchies such as UK). ConMon then could be the representative regime it was, but with a more powerfull/influential monarch.
1848 was a parision mob coup, ignorant of the rest of the country; 1830 was a Orleans-manipulated coup.
Even more, I think vicky's system to be good: Conmon are just democracies (more or less extended) and "democracies" in game represent republics.
In these years way of speaking (at least in French political speach of early-mid XIXth), democracy/democratic was seen suspiciously, as a rule of the mob. Democracy did not mean "democratic" but was more linked to what happened in France during the First republic.
With the United States' and French 3rd Republic's experiences, democracy lost this negative side. So, in Vicky, it's quite tricky, but both as "republic" (that can also be a dictatorship) isn't in game, they went for "democracy".
A good idea could have been to add two regimes: constitutionnal (or representative) Republic and representative/parlementarian monarchy (reflecting late game or largely moderate/weak monarchies such as UK). ConMon then could be the representative regime it was, but with a more powerfull/influential monarch.
Mussolini ran a Constitutional Monarchy though. He never deposed the King it was the Kings attempted removal of Mussolini which lead to the Italian Social Republic which was never more than the north of the country anyway. The Hitler analogy is essentially irrevelant as Germany was a republic.