Constantinople -> Istanbul ?

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Civ II offered the possibility to move your Palace (Capital) to another city for a certain price. A similar function in EU would be good but should have more pre-conditions than its Civ counterpart.

1) Moving your capital should be hugely expensive (2000 ducats?)
2) Only provinces with a certain(high) population should be able to accomadate a new capital
3) New capital should be as close as possible to old one
4) New capital must be on the same continent as the old one
5) Changing the seat of government immediately lowers your stability to -3 caused by the the administrative upheaval in your nation due to the move.

 

[BiB]

Not forgetting the concept of a capital did not yet quite exist totally in 1419. More like the capital was wherever the monarch was on his continuous travels thru his realms. For example the duke of burgundy who had residences all over his realm and a de facto capital for his whole realm didn't really exist.

 

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Originally posted by BiB
Not forgetting the concept of a capital did not yet quite exist totally in 1419

True, but EU still has the conecpt of a capital province. Perhaps an ability to shift your main centre of administration could be provided for. If EU2 ends c1820 then surely the idea of a capital would be engrained into the ethos of the nationstate by the second half of an EU2 GC game. Also the complex civil service systems that were beginning to emerge at that time, witness Venice and Florence, could be moved but with the limitations/penalties I mentioned in my last posting on this thread.

Look at Moscow 1812, when the entire Russian government up and fled. Not sure of the exact historical details but there weren't any civil servants knocking about when Napoleon strolled into the Kremlin

 

[kullenius]

Originally posted by Col Deccer

2) Only provinces with a certain(high) population should be able to accomadate a new capital
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Good points, but number 2 should be relative to the current status. Otherwise a country with small population overall could never switch.

 

[unmerged(5061)]

Originally posted by kullenius

Good points, but number 2 should be relative to the current status. Otherwise a country with small population overall could never switch.

Point taken Kullenius

Also in addition to my suggestions...

The size of your country should reflect the size of your administrative system so smaller countries should have to pay less to move their capital as well as not having to find such a large province. However, larger countries would benefit more from a moved capital where the effects would be more noticeable wheras in a small nation a capital would probably only be being moved one province over.

 

[BiB]

I just made those points to counter ur restrictions on the moving which IMO were too heavy.

 

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I agree with your point BiB on the concepts of capitals in the first half of the game. However, moving your capital as the game wears on should involve a herculean effort. What would it cost to build a new Versailles for Louis XIV outside Lyons or Bordeaux?

 

[BiB]

Later on in the game though 2000 ducats is quite peanuts so moving the capital won't be cheap then too. It just shouldn't be overly hard early on. Esp for a price tag that is huge early on.

 

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True BiB. I threw in the figure of 2000 ducats more as a ball park figure. There should be a number of factors that would influence the cost.

1) Size of your country
2) Your stability level
3) Distance from the old to new capital in terms of provinces
4) The current date in the game
5) Are you currently at war? Would influence the organisation of the move.

These factors run the risk of becoming too complex and assesing the true cost of a move could ruin the playability of the game. Something that would require extensive testing and tweaking me thinks

 

[BiB]

I know. Should be best left to historical situations like the Constantinople thing.

 

[viper37]

Originally posted by BiB
I know. Should be best left to historical situations like the Constantinople thing.

Or if the ennemy controls your capital, it could force you to move away. No totally historical, but could be done.

 

[Mordoch]

I have an additional note on Mehmed II's plans on capturing Rome... The Ottomans had their alliance with France, and Mehmed thought he had an agreement that they would jointly invade Italy. The Ottomans got reminded of the harsh reality of the religious differences between the two nations when France chose to not get involved with the Ottoman expidition. The reaction of a Catholic nation to the French king assisting an infidel army in capturing Rome was not something that any French monarch wanted to experience.

 

[magicpiper97]

I really like the idea of moving a capital, but the only benefit I can see (other than to go along with history) would be to move your capital away from enemy borders in case of attack. There should be more benefits associated with having a capital in a certain province, currently I believe the only one is a -2 modifier on revolt risk. increased growth rate and higher taxes/production are things that should be considered. also, another interesting thing would be to give higher revolt risk for provinces the further away they are from the capital. for example, england's provinces in the British Isles would get no revolt bonus, but their western european provinces would get a slight bonus, their eastern/southern european provinces would have a greater bonus, and the increase for their indian provinces would be even greater still.

another thing that would be interesting is the ability to force a country to move its capital, as an extra part of this glorious new diplomatic model. if england captures Ile de France, the French government isn't just going to stick around. maybe for the cost of 6 stars or something like that, england could keep ile de france and force the new capital to be in france's second largest city?

 

[St. Leo]

<i>4) New capital must be on the same continent as the old one</i>

I am Henry VIII, King of England and France, and I want to move my capital to the mainland.

 

[BiB]

Last time I checked England and France were situated in the same continent, namely Europe

 

[Alexandre]

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4) New capital must be on the same continent as the old one. [/B]

I strongly disagree. Portugal's government fled Napoleon and established itself in Brazil. Oman's government relocated to Zanzibar in order to keep a closer eye on the trading network down there.

 

[AndrewT]

>Roum

Is this where Rumania got its name from? It used to be spelt Roumania.

 

[unmerged(485)]

Originally posted by BiB
Last time I checked England and France were situated in the same continent, namely Europe

That's because you are looking at those pre WW III maps. After the great cataclysm the British Isles drifted wastward and bumped into Newfoundland.

 

[Demetrios]

Originally posted by Col Deccer


True, but EU still has the conecpt of a capital province. Perhaps an ability to shift your main centre of administration could be provided for. If EU2 ends c1820 then surely the idea of a capital would be engrained into the ethos of the nationstate by the second half of an EU2 GC game. Also the complex civil service systems that were beginning to emerge at that time, witness Venice and Florence, could be moved but with the limitations/penalties I mentioned in my last posting on this thread.

Look at Moscow 1812, when the entire Russian government up and fled. Not sure of the exact historical details but there weren't any civil servants knocking about when Napoleon strolled into the Kremlin

Of course not, since the capital of Russia was St. Petersburg at that point...

Peter the Great's move from Moscow to St. Petersburg is another good example of captial moving.

 

[Sputnik]

What is the benefit of changing capitals? The only thing I can think of is moving to more defendable place, but I always make sure my capital not to fall during war and thus giving the opponent extra star in a peace negotiating.
In Civ II, as far I remembered there was a concept of capital in a sense the further from the capitol a city is the greater corruption occurs. This is not existent in EU. So what’s the point?