Consolidation of Power.. Benefits?
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They can't marry afaik, and also can't inherit.. So yes, a certain benefit !
You can't usurp a title held by someone in your realm, includig your liege.
EDIT: Damn! :ninja:
To give titles to your heirs, I don't know if that is such a good idea. You lose control over their heirs. It's pretty simple to educate children into decent persons, somebody your future vassals will like and be loyal too. Every good trait like kind or just translates into opinion which translates into troops and money.
I noticed that as well, I like having control over my heir and his children while they're in my court. Maybe if I saw that my heir's heir came of age as a suitable ruler, then I'd arrange to give them some land... but I haven't really been in that situation yet, playing the demo.
I've noticed so far the main benefit of having lots of counts is the fact each of them has a Council. (which could potentially mean each steward is collecting extra taxes in every province = moneys)
The inquisition/conversion of Spain was happening a lot quicker in my count/vassals territories than my own demesne.
I'm thinking my next game is going to be a count-fest. I'm just gonna have counts everywhere. I'll hold onto one single province of each duchy, only in order to give it to a family member eventually along with the duke title.
The inquisition/conversion of Spain was happening a lot quicker in my count/vassals territories than my own demesne.
I'm thinking my next game is going to be a count-fest. I'm just gonna have counts everywhere. I'll hold onto one single province of each duchy, only in order to give it to a family member eventually along with the duke title.
How does one declare independence from their liege? Is it possible to exit the Holy Roman Empire as the duke of Bohemia?
You have an independence casus belli against him. So declare war. If you win you become independent.
Keep in mind that the duke controlling only one county of his de jure duchy will pursue his ducal claims, so without the proper crown authority you'll have your vassals fighting each other.
I was under the impression that every count-level ruler have his/her own council, regardless if they're the vassals of one of your vassals or not. Was I wrong?
not giving out landed titles to sons incurs a prestige penalty though. at fist that is inconsequential. and gavelkind succession eliminates them. but playing elective and having 6 sons can get you into trouble, especially when your chancellor decides to do his job and fabricates some claims, not sure how but they get more expensive in money and prestige.
Is there a way to limit the boost the amount of children you have? If you only want to focus on two sons rather than 6, would it be best to just ignore those other sons or make them clergy members and perhaps give them a county or so?
that's why I think it could be useful to grant the duke title after you've ensured every province has it's own count. (duke is on fairly level playing terms and mightn't be able to overrun the other counts)
If you directly control 6 counties, you still only have your own council to cover all those provinces. That's why I thought having 6 individual council's could be beneficial.. the payoff would be maintaining good relations with them all, and less tax and levies.
My current games of 'must maintain max demesne limit' have thus far ended in disaster.. I either need to assassinate my psychotic heirs, or focus on granting land to people who won't be in direct competition with the heir.
On that note, Primogeniture is a nightmare. Never grant land to your first son before he's 16. Keep him in your court, educate him personally, and keep a damn close eye on them. Assuming the role of an excommunicated, kinslaying wrothful bastard is not pretty.
How come your advisors sometimes leave you when you give out landed titles? Is it because they are from X county and that means they will have to work for their new lord instead?
If I have too many sons, I start looking for marriages to titled women. I'll take a prestige hit for marrying below my station, but if I have 5 adult sons, some of them are marrying baronesses matrileneally (they won't accept otherwise). That takes away the no-title penalty just like I had given them a title myself, but I don't have to dilute my demesne too much.
It also removes them from family politics. If my 5th son is just married to the Baroness of Cobra, it's not like he has enough military or political strength to challenge his brothers for the throne.
I've noticed this as well, though I've usually attributed it to people moving with their family members; so if you were to give some random courtier a county-title, he may then take his wife and kids with him, who themselves could be advisors.
You can't usurp a title from someone in the same realm as you.
I'm not sure about that, but it could be that I was looking at something outside the de jure borders of my liege's realm. I'd have to check, and unfortunately the 20 years doesn't really give me long enough to get into position to check it, and I'm not messing around to get any longer.
IMO that playstyle takes a lot of risk/fun away.
I like my Byzantine Empire a bit unstable and not so predictable.
Fighting the Seljuks and having 4 dux's fighting you for lowered Authority and successfully fighting both at the same time is really satisfying.
I like my Byzantine Empire a bit unstable and not so predictable.
Fighting the Seljuks and having 4 dux's fighting you for lowered Authority and successfully fighting both at the same time is really satisfying.
They may have changed it for release, but the tooltip has said "You cannot usurp titles from the same realm as yourself" for awhile now, and I think it makes sense. It would make intra-realm conquest way too easy, because the liege can't really decide who gets what title under those conditions.
It'd make sense, but I can't think of a sensible place to check against at the start date.
Mind you, since there's nothing to stop you conquering lands in the same realm as your self, the liege doesn't have that much control anyway...
Mind you, since there's nothing to stop you conquering lands in the same realm as your self, the liege doesn't have that much control anyway...
Until you are trying to extinguish HRE dukes with lands scattered everywhere and multiple ducal titles. Since you only need 50% of the counties to usurp a title, normal practice is to generate claims and conquer until you hit the 50% point, usurp, and then use ducal claims to take the rest. But if you can't do that, you have to generate claims on every single county. Brunswick takes forever to conquer like that... :angry: