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You said that you lost 40,000 men - and you sent 5 divisions - doesn't that mean that your forces there were almost destroyed, at 20 % strength ?

And how were reinforcements handled - did you need to create new soldier POP's to replace the lost men ?

Do you get anything out of simple battle victories ? Can you gain prestige by defeating English troops, even if you make a white peace afterwards ?
 
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Karl Martell: I think I might experiment with posting the links to the images instead of pasting the images right into the post.

I lost some prestige due to the declaration on Denmark, plus I lost some before that too, dunno why though.

Dayvit: Yup, sometimes white peaces can give prestige, but only of the AI offers a peace that gives prestige, it can offer ones who doesnt or ones who does. And the bigger the victory the more prestige you gain yes.

skkrrt: I never sent any more after the initial 54,000 troops, I guess the total losses have been up towards 90,000. And 54,000 are left, due to me reinforcing the divisions.

Im only using aroudn 60,000 on Denmark, and since Sweden threw some 90,000 in the fight, and Hannover threw about 40,000 in themselves, I really dont need anymore. I still have 160,000 troops in reserve, and the capacity to train another 350,000 whenever needed.

Dievs: Yes, my forces were absolutely devestated at one point, one division dropped below 1,000 men.
Reinforcements are handled just like in HOI, if the army is supplied, it can be reinforced. And it only costs manpower, which is easy to regain when you have a big manpower pool like I do. Soldiers POP`s do not take the losses the troops do, they only control the maximum manpower and the regeneration rate.

And nothing is gained from simple victories, atleast not land victories. They dont affect prestige nor war score.
 

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Yeah, what's your evaluation of the British AI? That's my biggest concern in the game; without a powerful British AI, much,much improved from HOI, this game just doesn't tick right. Any thoughts on that?

Good AAR, by the way, a good combination of detail and conciseness.
 

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If you sent in 54,000 troops how much did you have to renforce them?
 

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All the wars exploding around them and France does nothing? Interesting, I thought they would try to seize British colonies or such.
 

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John_Keats: Well, they seem to be doing well, they are fifth in place when it comes to industry, but in military, they are ranked with almost 500, with the closest competitor being China with 226, and then Russia with 118.

If the british wants to, they can conquer anyone in the world, even me right now, though that will change as I am going to build a strong army.

One of the things with Vicky is that, well, the AI isnt agressive at all. No war-declarations almost, only the ones triggered by events really. Maybe that changes if I set the agressivity to max, but I dont think so.

skkrrt: The only thing I need to reinforce is to keep them in supply and have available manpower, and since I had around 350 manpower (That equals 350,000 on the battlefield), and it regenerates, its no problem at all to reinforce.

Doc: Nope, Ive yet to see the french AI declare war on anyone, unless its due to events.
 

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Excellent AAR. This is probalbly my second favorite AAR. Behind Where the Iron Crosses grow in the HOI AAR section. A simple request. Could you post some screen shots on your research and leaders. And please go in to detail about what benefits/penalities your leaders give. I'm really interested about those two aspects of Vic. You don't have to but I'd really appreciatate it. Keep up the good work.

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Originally posted by Faeelin
I like them large. And another update would be nice.

I like the pics large too but the problem is the pics are bigger than my screen is :D :p
 

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TBB: Thanks, here are some screenshots of the research menu, and the leader menu:

Research.jpg


Now, on the top of the screen is a button that allows you to replace you current scientific administration. This costs 10 prestige, and gives you a random new administration I think. The administration controls how many techs you can chose from in each category to research from, and what categories you can research from. Traditional Academic gives 1 tech per category, and all categories. There are several types of adminstrations, they are:

Naval-Industrial
Army industrial
Banker Science
Industrialist Science
Traditional Academic
Radical Academic

The specifics of what they give are in the manual.

Over to leaders:
leaders.jpg


As you can see all leaders have two things that modify their bonuses, background and personality. I have no idea of how many personalities and backgrounds there are, I know there are quite a few. Even if two generals have the same background and personality, they do not necessarily have the exact same bonuses. I believe they do have the same mods, but the amount the mods do modify stuff by varies.

Alo, the box showing the mods by the general is hiding the New Admiral button. Ill leave it up to you to guess what that does :p

A new general or admiral costs 20 leadership.


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Chapter 4:

The Crimean Peninsula and the surrounding area is seeing a lot of action, and the 10th of January a battle between 100,000 Russian troops and 90,000 British troops takes place in Melitopol, as the British try to break thru the Russian lines.

Home in Prussia we are reorganizing the coastal defence into a force that will be used in invading Denmark.
The 20th January the Russian defence in Melitopol repulse the British attackers, and the British send another 95,000 troops up there to try again. Meanwhile a combined Russian and Prussian force is trying to break the Ottoman lines in Silistra.

The 7th of February 1 Danish division lands in Malmö and the Swedes quickly order several divisions down there to throw the Danes back into the sea. And on the 10th of February a Danish division lands in Stralsund, but two days later a Prussian force of 66,000 men arrives and throws the Danes out.
Thanks to the Russian fleet, having defeated the Danish fleet the division was transported on, it has nowhere to retreat to, and is forced to surrender. This is quite fatal for the Danes, as they only have 2 divisions left, and only one of them is at home defending the capitol.
The Prussian force, named 2nd Korps, leaves one infantry division behind as defence, and begins to march towards Holstein, who are also involved in the war, but on the Danes side.
Meanwhile, on the 16th of February, the Ottoman lines in Silistra are broken, and the Prussian force continues towards the Ottoman capitol.
The Ottoman’s situation seems hopeless, as they just don’t have enough troops to halt the advance in the west anymore, and the forces in the Caucasus won’t be able to get back in time. Plus they can’t afford to pull any troops from that front without risking its total collapse.

The British continue to launch attacks on the Russian position in Melitopol throughout February, but due to the Russians bringing in even more reinforcements, any breakthrough seems unlikely at this time.
The 2nd of March the Swedes repulse the Danish invaders, but the Danes are able to retreat due to them having their fleet back in the waters of Storebælt.
The 18th of March, the Prussian 2nd Korps engage hostile forces in Lauenburg, a province owned by Holstein, and defeat them with ease.
The Danes offer a white peace on the 20th, but it is declined.
The 28th of March Prussian forces engage and defeat Ottoman troops in the province of Burgas, they are now only one province away from the Ottoman capitol.
The 13th of April, the Ottomans launch a weak counterattack in Burgas, but it is repulsed after two days of fighting. And on May the 1st, the Prussian forces reach the province of Edirne, on of the capitols neighbouring provinces. Heavy fighting ensues, and on the 17th of July, the Prussian forces are forced to retreat due to massive casualties.
But on the 24th of August, the Prussian forces once again try to assault the Ottoman forces in Edirne.
Meanwhile, Sweden has launched an invasion of Copenhagen with a massive 90,000 men against the Danish 20,000.
The 21st of September the Ottoman troops in Edirne are routed, and the road to the capitol is open.
Two days later the Swedes annihilate all Danish forces in Copenhagen, and are now working on taking control of the whole province.
And on the 2nd of October the Danes offer Virgin Islands, Reykjavik, Gothab and Ribe for peace. Their offer is turned down.
The 4th of October Prussian forces have taken full control of Edirne, and start their march towards Konstantiniyye.
On the 21st of October the Prussian forces reach the Ottoman capitol, and begin occupying it.
Meanwhile on the Crimean peninsula, the British forces now number 360,000 troops!
And on the 22nd of October, Hannover annexes Holstein.

On November 1st, the Prussian forces control the capitol of the Ottomans, and hopefully the Ottomans will offer peace soon.

By December the Ottoman’s Balkan possession are being conquered by the Russians with great speed.

The Ottomans being pushed back in the Balkans

The 9th of January research is done on Organized Factories, and work is started on Steam Turbine immediately.

There’s also some action in Melitopol, as 150,000 British troops tries to defeat the Russian defenders numbering 320,000. By February the British are forced to retreat.

By now the Ottomans was also struggling to hold the line in the Caucasus, due to them being forced to send troops to the western front or risk a devastating loss.

February saw Ottoman counterattacks in the Balkans, but the Russians repulsed them with ease. The Ottomans were starting to bring a rather unsettling large amount of troops to the Balkans however, a total of 220,000 men to be exact.
Meanwhile the British kept hammering at the Russian defenders in Melitopol, but they still were unable to break through.

In March the Ottomans managed to retake one of the provinces the Russians had held in the Balkans, the Russians tried to counterattack and retake the province, but failed.
But in the Caucasus, the Russians had broken the Ottoman lines, and the whole area was now in danger of falling to the Russians, and the Ottoman troops there were also in danger of being encircled due to the Russians breaking thru in the centre.

April 1st the Danes offered peace, giving Ribe and Flensburg to Hannover, and ceding Viborg and Aarhus to Prussia. The deal was taken. It also gave us some 80 prestige, so now we have 61 prestige.

By now the British had 450,000 men stationed on the Crimean Peninsula.
The front in the Balkans was also being slowly pushed back in favour of the Ottomans.
By now the Prussian high command was considering to offer the Ottomans peace, since they weren’t interested in continuing the war much longer, and the Russians did not seem to be willing to make any deal with the Ottomans right now. Our alliance with Russia had even expired by now, and there was a feeling that they weren’t a beneficial ally anymore, especially since it seemed like the Prussian army, if reinforced some, would be able to defeat the Austrians alone.

As June came, not much was happening, the fronts were moving, but always back and forth. And with the Prussian forces forced garrisoning the Ottoman capitol, or risk losing it, they were unable to try and help the Russians break the Ottoman lines in the Balkans.

The 4th of July, the Prussian high command was so tired of Russia’s lack of will to negotiate for peace, that they asked the Prussian government to offer the Ottomans peace.
While the Prussian government were debating peace with the Ottomans, the Prussian forces were forced to evacuate Constantiniyye to reinforce the Russian defenders holding the door out of the city open.
The Prussians arrived just in time, and secured their way out. However now the Ottoman capitol would surely be retaken if it was not re-garrisoned, but Prussian high command ordered the Prussian forces to continue making their way back towards Russian territory.
The reason was that the Russians did not appear to be able to prevent entrapment for much longer, with them now being outnumbered.

By September the Ottoman capitol was lost, and the Russian defenders on the retreat. With the Ottomans also bringing in 200,000 troops to secure the city, it would not be possible to retake without more troops.

And, on September the 21st, the Prussian government offered the Ottomans a white peace. The war did not appear to be ending soon, and if it ever was to end, it would require massive reinforcements from Prussia, which was not a viable option.

However the Ottomans rejected the offer of peace, which quite frankly surprised the whole of Prussia, and angered the government and high command. So, the Prussian forces in the Balkans were now ordered to go on the offensive, to try to force the Ottomans to accept peace.
Within November the Prussian forces had secured two provinces in the Balkans, and a new offer of a white peace was given to the Ottomans.
And once again they declined.

But on the 9th of January they finally accepted, and Prussia was finally at peace again. Preparations could now be undertaken to conquer the rest of Germany, and to defeat the Austrians and hopefully take their Czech provinces.
On the 27th of January, our scientists discovered Steam Turbine, and work was started on Cheap Iron.

In March, 5 new infantry divisions with artillery brigades were ordered to be trained.
This would be the first of many new divisions to be trained over the coming months.

In May the Russian situation continued to worsen, as they now had lost two provinces to the Ottomans in the Caucasus, and were slowly being pushed back in the Balkans. They were still managing to keep the over 600,000 British troops in Crimea though. This was the major reason the Russians couldn’t defeat the Ottomans really, as they were forced to keep almost 500,000 men up there to keep the British from breaking through and conquering their lands.

In July the Ottomans offered us a military alliance, but I declined.
The 2nd of July training of an additional 5 infantry divisions with artillery brigades was commenced.
The 3rd of July the Frankfurt Assembly offered the Prussian king the Emperors title, and urged us to unite the country. We declined (+50 prestige, accepting would have made us form Germany, and I don’t want to form Germany at a so unhistorical time).

As August comes around, we are ranked number 8 according to industrial ratings. Austria as ranked 3rd, with almost twice our rating. However, we do not mind, as soon we will be ranked top, once Germany is united.
In November we start the training of 5 infantry divisions with Guard attachments.
By now the Russians are only barely holding on in the Balkans, and are getting pushed further and further backwards in the Caucasus. They British still haven’t been able to break out from the Crimean Peninsula, even though their troops their almost number 1,000,000!

As January 1st, 1850 rolls around, the Prussian Army is larger than the Austrians. Plans are made for war around October 1850.
The 27th of January research on Cheap Iron is done, and work is started on Point Defence System.
In April the whole Austrian army except for 2 division’s rebel and the plans for invasion are put forward to May 2nd, when the last of the divisions in training are finished.
As May 2nd arrives, all of the 30 Prussian divisions in reserve are deployed, most of them on the borders to German minors, as Austria no longer poses any threat at all.
Prussia’s military rating is now 49, the 6th highest rating in the world. All that remains now is the declaration of war!

Prussia fully mobilized, ready to strike.

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Ok, last update for today. Tomorrow there will be alot of annexing of german minors :D

Also the links are the screenshots, this has been done to help those with lower screen resolutions.


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The British have a million troops in Russia ? How do they keep them fed and armed !
 

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Yay, finally the promised CONQUEST!:D :D :D

And thanks for just giving the links to the screenies. :)
 

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It's a shame you had to prop up the Russians, because you solidly smashed the Ottoman alliance yourself. Prussia is well on its way to snatching its own place under the sun. Any news on the colonial front? Nice AAR, real interesting diplomacy going on.
 

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I don't get it. If you plan to invade the German minors and form Germany why did you just turn down the opportunity to become Germany?

You could have used those troops to take a bite out of Austria since it's military is in a shambles.
 

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Great AAR!
I learned one very important thing form this AAr, Don't mess with England. The AI is also fantastic, landing a million man in one place is great!:D