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Well I think part of the reason for his success is 1) His BB was wiped out which saved him for a war with GB/Russia/France all at once at some point. 2) Good timing for his big russian wars, 3) Germany is a rather easy country (not to take anything away), 4) The luxury goods are highly overpowered (helped in early game)
 

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Valdemar: Thanks :)

skkrrt: I know it cant cover my coast, but the brits cant drop enough troops in one go to be able to withstand my forces. And once I know were they drop theyre troops I can cut them off.

Im enlarging my fleet in the next chapter anyway. And its morethan 10 ships, its 12 battleships, 4 heavy crusiers and 3 cruisers or something. That a battleship can be sunk by a ManOWar is IMHO pretty silly, even if there is a lot of them.

And the brits does have a larger fleet, but they only have ManOWars and frigates. But as weve seen that doesnt matter much, but Im gonna get alot of new battleships later.

Kolibri: I didnt really have alot of soldier POP's before the french war, but when they whupped me I threw over a million citizens into soldier POP's.

Army sizes are unrealistic, but its extremely fun the way the game is now. Id rather have a fun and well balanced game than a that is ultra realistic. Too much realism can often damage the fun factor.

Im no beta, but I did test out a starting strategy quite a few times before I wrote the AAR.
Plus Ive been able to play other games as I played this one.
I think Victoria is the kind of game thats rather easy to learn, but hard to master. Because I sure havent mastered it at all in my AAR, almost getting my ass handed to me in several wars :eek:o
Also Prussia is in a great position, lots of expanding capabilities, high literacy, strong allies and a good starting population.

The BB has stayed at 0 ever since it magically disappeared.
 

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you stated that before this french war, a division of yours stationed in france revolted, but you didnt know why. could it be that the french pop we(which was 100%) affected your troops?
and since thier we was 100%didnt they have revolts everywhere?
 

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Great AAR, even though I have not been much of an AAR reader until recently, this one has made me even more interested / surprised / shocked about certain aspects of Victoria (which, with some luck, I'll finally be receiving on Monday)

And as a result, of course I'll have to try my hand at beating / getting beat by France for one of my first games as Prussia... ;)

Originally posted by Dark_Teuton
And the brits does have a larger fleet, but they only have ManOWars and frigates.

Strange that they don't replace them though, if like you've said they really have the tech for it...I'd think that you should report this in the bug forum (if it hasn't already been done)
 
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Originally posted by Scythe
Great AAR, even though I have not been much of an AAR reader until recently, this one has made me even more interested / surprised / shocked about certain aspects of Victoria (which, with some luck, I'll finally be receiving on Monday)

And as a result, of course I'll have to try my hand at beating / getting beat by France for one of my first games as Prussia... ;)



Strange that they don't upgrade them though, if like you've said they really have the tech for it...I'd think that you should report this in the bug forum (if it hasn't already been done)

The game is like HOI--you can't upgrade ships to a totally different platform, only build new ships on a different hull config. As a result, it just means that Britain isn't replacing all its really old ships with new fancy ones, since it can't upgrade them. Still a big problem, obviously.
 

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Originally posted by John_Keats
The game is like HOI--you can't upgrade ships to a totally different platform, only build new ships on a different hull config. As a result, it just means that Britain isn't replacing all its really old ships with new fancy ones, since it can't upgrade them. Still a big problem, obviously.

Ok. I'll scratch "upgrade" and put "replace" up there. ;)
 

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Valdemar: Thanks :)

Army sizes are unrealistic, but its extremely fun the way the game is now. Id rather have a fun and well balanced game than a that is ultra realistic. Too much realism can often damage the fun factor.


I agree!!!!!!!!
 

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wow

just catched up on this amazing aar of yours dark teuton.
its past midnight here in bergen and i had planned to go to bed at ten due to early work. it all fell apart when i discovered this.
got victoria at saturday and not played much yet, i think ill be a much better player after learning from your experiences and mistakes.

seems to me that the army sizes are a bit odd and the battleship vs man-o-war were very odd, but this isnt the forum for that.

keep up the good writing and move over the mountain to us in the west.

:D :D :D :D :D
 

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Chapter 13:

We continued to offer peace throughout August, but the French weren’t willing to give up that many provinces.
So on the 3rd of September we offered them peace demanding about 30% less. They still weren’t willing to accept it.
On the 12th we offered peace for a bit less, but they still wouldn’t listen to us.
On the 15th of October they offered us peace giving only 11 provinces; we did not take the deal, as we felt we could do much better.
We started construction of 20 steamer transports on the 12th as well, planning on taking their African possessions if they didn’t give us a better offer of peace soon.
Our current transport fleet consisted of only 3 clippers, and that wasn’t enough.
The construction was expected to take about 10 months however, so we were hoping on a peace before that.

In November our fleet was ordered to set sail and track down French ships. However finding any French ships at all was proving to be difficult, and only 2 raiders were found during all of November and December. Both were sunk of course.

On the 21st of December we offered the French peace, demanding more than half of their territory. And they accepted. France was now extremely weakened, and in 5 years they would be easy to take the rest of.

The territory taken from France in the peace agreement

Germany was now the country with the second most provinces in the world, only behind Russia. We had a total of 167 provinces now.
The German empire now had a total of 175 million citizens as well, closing in on the UK’s 191 million fast.

The situation in Europe after Germany has expanded its borders even more

1892: By March the Austrians were making good progress in France due to there actually being provinces for them to occupy now.
We also started stockpiling steamer convoys in March, to be able to afford a large amount of Battleships later.

In May France accepted peace with Austria giving them 5 provinces in the southwest of France.
This also ended the Austrians war with the Russians.

On the 25th research was done on Risk Management, and work was started on NCO Training.

On the 30th of July our 20 steamer transports were done. The German navy would now be capable of projecting force just about anywhere in the world.

On the 2nd of October 20 new battleships were ordered, this would surely make the German navy Europe’s finest.

1893: In January troops stationed in France were brought up to the Belgian border, and our military access deal with Belgium was also cancelled. Plans were to take most of Belgium soon, to further boost the growing German empire. France was also guaranteeing the independence of Belgium, and if they were foolish enough to stand by their promise to Belgium, they would save us a lot of time waiting for the peace treaty to expire.

By the 24th of February all troops were in place for an assault on Belgium and on the 6th of March war was declared.

France quickly joined the war on the Belgian side, and the German high command rejoiced.

On the 7th aeroplanes were invented, and we could build a factory to construct them. One was ordered in Berlin.

By the 20th of April Paris was in German hands, and so was Brussels.
On the 21st research was done on NCO Training, and work was started on Ideological Thought.

By the end of May all of Belgium was in German hands, and France was in big trouble.
By the 30th of July all of France was under German control, and peace was offered demanding it all. The French accepted on the same day, and now all of France was in German hands.
A similar offer of peace was extended to the Belgians as well, but we also demanded that they would become our satellites. They refused.
On the 15th of August a deal was offered demanding only their provinces and nothing more, but they still refused.
On the 29th we offered the same deal again, and this time they accepted.

By now the German empire together with the Austrian empire were the only two great continental powers in Europe. Italy was still a place with many different states, but with Germany’s naval power taking Italy could be easily achieved.
By October Germany had a population of almost 209 million citizens, having passed to UK with its new conquests. Germany was now the world’s second most populous nation, after China with 394 million citizens.

This chapter ended on the 30th of October 1893.


Situation in Europe at the end of the chapter

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Notes: Sorry about the short update, been a few very busy days for me. Hopefully Ill be able to get some longer chapters done soon.


slugo: I have no actual idea why they revolted. I dont know if a POP can actually influence my troops, and all mytroops are 100% north german, mostly with Berlin as home province.
The French revolt some at times, but not much. Its so rare and so insignificant that I dont bother writing about it.


tiny: Thanks :)
Army sizes I can live with, since its fun, and except from being very unhistorical, theres no real downside to it I feel.
The ManOWar vs Battleship is wierd, but as you said, wrong forum for this.
 

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are you not allowed to take capitals in peace deals or are you just not asking for them? if so, that is ridiculously stupid. I hated how nations could sit parked in your back door with their one capital province and a bunch of colonies. argh
 

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Why don't you conquer, A big country callled....... oh what the heck Sweden and It's little neighbor Norway. Then maybe you can research technology up to Videogames and you can make paradox videogames. And you can convert a clerk into a programmer and call him Johan, and make a farmer or slave and calll him Patric, and then you can sell your technology to the united states and canada.





:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
 
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Sehnsucht: You cant take capitols, and you can only annex nations with 3 provinces or less.

Fuhrerdammerung: UK is up next :cool:

Timothy Ortiz: Spain is boring, so easy and so poor :p

List: First of all; Youre crazy ;)
And Im going after the UK, in fact as Im writing this Victoria is running and my fleets are battling it out with british fleets :D

Ladislav: You cant take capitols except when you annex someone, and you can only annex countires with 3 provinces or less if they are civilized.
 

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Chapter 14:

This chapter starts on the 30th of October 1893.
Throughout the year we tried to persuade the Austrians to grant us military access, but they refused.

1894: On the 7th of March the aeroplane factory in Brandenburg was done, and the Germany became the first nation to over produce aeroplanes.

On the 21st of April research was done on Ideological Thought, and work was started on Collectivist Theory.
On the 27th of June 20 new battleships were done, and the German navy was now a force to be reckoned with, being able to field 32 battleships.
All of the ships were organized into one massive fleet, designed to hunt down and destroy all hostile ships.
With our new naval strength, the UK would be the next target, and German forces were manoeuvred into position in France to prevent any British landings and also be ready to be shipped over the channel to Britain.
On the 26th of July war was declared on the United Kingdom, and we did not ask the Austrians to join our side in this war, as we didn’t feel that we needed their help.
A ton of Indian minors, plus Canada joined the war on Britain’s side, but this was no big deal, as none of these nations were powerful enough to even ship troops to Europe.

As of now we did nothing, hoping that the British would be foolish enough to land troops in France, and then move our fleet in to prevent the British from reinforcing these troops or evacuating them. Then our troops would eliminate the British troops.
It almost had to go this way, as defeating over 4 million British troops in England would most likely be close to impossible.

On the 16th of August the British landed two divisions in Rouen, and they were quickly eliminated by a German counterattack by the 6th Army.
On the 2nd of September the Canadians landed an infantry division in St. Brieuc, but these were also quickly defeated by the nearby garrison numbering of some 96,000 German troops.
On the 4th the British landed 118,000 troops in Rouen ho engaged the 260,000 men of 6th Army currently in the province. The British continued to bring in reinforcements over the course of the battle, but so did we, on the 16th the 264,000 man strong 2nd Army arrived in Rouen to help 6th Army.
The British still kept on landing reinforcements, but these was costing them dearly as their troops were under too much pressure to be able to retreat to the British fleet in the channel. The German 1st fleet was ordered to do nothing about the British landings, because it did not seem like the British would be able to break the German defence any time soon.

The 266,000 man strong 3rd Army was brought in as reinforcements on the 3rd of October. By now the German troops in Rouen numbered 750,000.
The British had by now some 400,000 troops in Rouen, but due to the difficulties of attacking from their positions on the beaches they would need a numerical superiority to break the German lines in Rouen.
The battle still raged as November came, as the British really seemed intent on taking Rouen. The German defenders had by now suffered over 150,000 casualties, and 4th and 5th Army was brought in as well, bringing 500,000 fresh German troops to the fight.

On the 25th of November the battle was finally won by the German forces, and by now the British had suffered over 1 million casualties, some even believed the number was closer to 2 million.
In December the British landed more troops in Rouen, despite there being 1.6 million German troops there defending the province (Note: Obvious weakness in the AI, it lands in one province, and does so no matter what).
By now the British had lost so many troops that our military rating had surpassed theirs.
By the 28th of December the British had landed and lost almost 800,000 more troops.
This did not stop them from landing even more troops in January however.
The British continued to land troops in February as well, and even in March they kept on landing troops. By now their division count was down to 123 however, down from their pre-war count of almost 500.
As April arrived the landings had decreased in frequency, but they still were landing troops every week or so.

On the 21st research was done on Collectivist Theory, and work was started on Impressionism.
By May there were barely any landings at all, and German high command felt that the time had come to launch our own invasions of the British Isles.
On the 3rd of May the German fleet was ordered to attack the British ships in the straits of Dover, and on the 4th the British ships there were engaged.
The British brought in all of their ships in the area to reinforce the British fleet already there, and by the 15th there were some 78 British ships there facing the 38 German vessels.

The German and British fleets fight it out in the Straits of Dover

On the 28th the German fleet was forced to retreat having lost 4 ships during the fights, all four were battleships (Note: This is retarded, 32 top of the line battleships can’t defeat some 35 ManOWars and some frigates!!!!! It might have been even less warships on the British fleet’s part as well, as most of their ships in the area are transports.)
On the 15th of June our fleet moved to the straits of Dover once again, and engaged the now 2 British frigates there. Within a few days the frigates were sunk, but the British brought in reinforcements, and by the 30th the German fleet was ordered to withdraw to prevent any battleships from being sunk. The British losses during the fight were estimated to be a few frigates, maybe one or two ManOWars and some transports.

On the 13th of July the British landed two divisions in Dunkerque, facing some 100,000 German garrison troops. 6th Army was moved up there in case a more massive British landing was to take place.
On the 24th the German fleet once again set sail for the Straits of Dover, but this time there would be no British ships there.
But as the fleet arrived on the 26th, the British attacked it within a day with four ManOWars and two Frigates.
On the 10th of August the fleet is forced to retreat to save one of the battleships from being sunk. British casualties were estimated to be around 3 frigates and maybe 2 ManOWars.
On the 30th of August the fleet sat sail once again, but a few days after reaching the straits of Dover it was engaged by a British fleet of almost equal strength, and it was forced to withdraw a few days later to prevent the sinking of a battleship.
By November after a few more unsuccessful sorties the fleet was forced to stay in port, due to a British presence in the straits of Dover of about 30 ships that were wreaking havoc on the German fleet if it so much as dared leave port for a few days.
On the 27th of November the fleet once again tried to defeat the British fleet in the straits of Dover, and this time they did it, sinking a few ManOWars and a few frigates as well, but nearly losing a heavy cruiser.
This meant that the German fleet might be able to control the area for a long enough time to land troops in Britain, and the 20 steamer transports waiting in port were rushed out to sea to load up with troops. And on the 15th of November 192,000 German troops were landed in Norwich. On the 21st additional reinforcements were brought in and now the full 6th army was on English soil. On the 24th the 6th Army had taken control of Norwich.

German troops takes control of Norwich

On the 29th 4th army was brought in and now 500,000 German troops were in Britain, with more on the way.
However, on the 30th a British fleet of 12 ships engaged the German ships in the straits of Dover, and the transports had to be evacuated. On the 14th of January the German fleet had to flee to avoid the loss of a BB.
By now the British were launching counter attacks on German positions in Norwich, sending some 230,000 men against the 260,000 man strong 4th Army.
6th Army was by now trying to take control of Cambridge, and on the 16th it fell into German hands.
On the 21st the German fleet attacked the British ships in the straits of Dover, and on the 24th they were forced to flee after the British had brought in some 80 additional ships to the battle.
On the 26th of February the British attack Cambridge with some 660,000 troops, and the 260,000 German troops there were forced to retreat to Norwich.
In April, thanks to the British moving almost all of their warships out of the straits of Dover, we routed the British ships there, and we could once again attempt to land more troops in Norwich.
On the 14th 5th Army arrived in Norwich, and on the 21st 2nd Army arrived in Norwich.
On the 21st research was also done on Impressionism, and work was started on Economic Responsibility.
On the 2nd of May 1st Army also arrived in Norwich, and by now over 1,200,000 German troops were on British soil.
On the 11th of May after having brought in 200,000 additional troops all 6 armies attacked Cambridge, currently held by 320,000 British troops.
On the 17th the British attacked our 200,000 troops in Norwich with 860,000 troops, but a few days later we won the battle for Cambridge, and by the 3rd of June the German forces had taken control of Cambridge, opening up a way to retreat for the now decimated forces in Norwich. And on the 3rd they retreated.
On the 19th of June the British sent a fleet to the straits of Dover and the German fleet were forced to retreat to avoid losses.
On the 29th 6th, 5th and 4th Army attacked Ipswich and routed its 300,000 British defenders with two weeks.
The British tried to retake it in July, but sent far too few forces, and the German defenders easily brushed off all of their attacks.
On the 23rd the German fleet once again went out into the straits of Norfolk, and met 12 British warships there, mainly ManOWars. On the 2nd of August the fleet was forced to flee due to almost losing a BB, but they did manage to sink two enemy vessels before they withdrew.
On the 30th the German forces in Ipswich were forced to withdraw after having taken massive casualties over the last month due to British attacks, and the British launching an attack with 800,000 soldiers on the 29th.
By the 1st of October the straits of Dover had finally been cleared of enemy vessels after several sorties by the German fleet. And on the 11th 250,000 German troops landed in Canterbury.
On the 7th of November the German fleet in the straits of Dover was forced to retreat after the British brought in a lot of ships, and 5 of them were battleships!

This chapter ends on the 7th of November.

The situation in Europe at the end of the chapter

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Notes: The lack of fog in the screenshots is because I forgot to turn it on after I turned it off to check a few things around the world, I am playing with fog on usually.

I would have made a longer chapter, but the fact that my ships cant do crap against wooden boats, and that the british always have atleasy 3 times my combat effectiveness in naval combat no matter what, I got so frustrated I stopped playing.

This chapter also reveals some serious flaws in the AI when it comes to landings, at I poured over 2 million troops into Rouen to die. Later it put troops in Dunkerque, and kept on sending them there after I reinforced the province with a few hundred thousand troops.


Kolibri: Because Austria would kick the crap out of me :eek:o
They have 3 times my military, and it would be so exhausting to war them and actually try to win that Im not sure if I can be bothered (Yes, I am lazy).

Seidita: Yes, I am sure. Thats how it works for me all the time.

PanzerLeader: The Swiss have remained neutral trhoughout the game, and I will respect their wish for peace :p
The Luxemburgians could come in handy if I feel like buying some more tech, so Im keeping them somewhat friendly for now.