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I am playing a GC as Croatia and I am at war with Venice.
I have already taken Istria an Dalmatia from them in a previous war and I am occupying Veneto. Now I was wondering if I want to annex Venice, do I have to make a fleet and take all the Islands from them, or is there another way to do it?
 

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To militarily annex them, you yes, have to take their islands in a war, (to get them down to one province, Veneto), and then militarily annex them in a war when they only have one province.

However, you could force-vassalize them, and 10 years later diplo-annex them, which would mean that you don't have to take the islands (except to get your warscore up, of course, if you need to do that).
 

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Money are always good! Venice is a pain for countries with no maritime tradition, since thouse islands are a pain to conquer with even moderate oposition,not to mention the 45k camp in Crete :mad: ! You could try to achieve a high score by staying in a long war and fighting reinforcements, but that means a secure neighbourhood!
 

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Ok this is the current situation: As I previously mentioned Istria and Dalmatia are mine, took Corfu in a previous war too. I am occupying Crete and Veneto, but here is my problem the OE are holding Ionia and I only have a warscore of 30%. Oh yes Cyprus are Venices vassals. Am I missing something? Those are all of the territories Venice has, right?:confused:
Never mind Venice gave Ionia to OE.
But now I have another problem: The remaining two provinces that Venice owns (Veneto and Crete) are occupied by me and my warscore is 100% but I can not annex them, the annex option is not availible, why is this?
Damn stubborn Venetians:mad:
 
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Originally posted by Barbarossa II
but here is my problem the OE are holding Ionia

this is indeed your problem if they are not allies..
I assume they are not, so it probably means either waiting for the Ottomans to get out... or go for Crete only, and hope the ottomans take Ionia.. then you can Venice next "round" anyway

EDIT: damn, don't edit-add info when I'm replying :p

you can't annex two-province countries at all, except if they are Pagan.
you can go two ways now: either vassalise (might take Crete already) OR take only Crete and go to war sometime soon again.
 

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Angelo smirked at the player and said "How could you possible beat the most advanced navy in the world?"

Give me a new on what happened in your game, OK
 

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You could take one province this war and the other i the next year.

Venice is a good and wealthy province but I left them in place during my croatian AAr jsut because their agressiveness against me.

Once every ten years they attaced me alongside their allies and so I had something to do.
:D
 

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Now I can't decide, should I vassilize them or take Crete and then 5 years later conquer Veneto too?
First of all, I am not sure I will have a CB in 5 years time.( I only got a CB because they refused trade with me)
And another thing is, my relations with them now are -200 and if I force vassilize them will my relations improve or will I have to bribe them to get to +190??
And their economy is very strong (because of the COT), I am not sure in ten years time that they will accept to be annexed by me.

Oh yes almost forgot:
"How could you possible beat the most advanced navy in the world?"
I left that to the Ottomans.:D
 
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If the Ottomans manage to take Ionia, you can claim both Crete and the vassalization of Venice itself. Vassalization needs 70%, if Crete is worth something like 16% etc. you may be lucky in the peace res. and be able to take both, (Crete and vas.).

If the OE withdraws from the war, leaving Ionia, you'll have to get Iona to get 100%, then you're only able to claim the two provinces, probably ca. (16+10)%, 26%... and you'll have to vassallize Venice in another war.

You wrote that Cyprus is a Venetian vassal, that isn't any problem. Venice can't annex it 'cause it's an island, but through a certain event (Catarina something) Venice will take it someday. While Venice can't diploannex Cyprus, doesn't mean that you can't either war-annex or war-vassalize Venice... just go on, do it.

And just a tip conserning Venice... If you mean to take down the whole nation (from the start), try not to take all its land possessions in the first war(s). You'll need to occupy most of the nation, but occupying the islands are often difficult. It would be better for you to claim the island(s) in the first war(s) rather than taking Venice's landpossessions, 'cause in the next war you won't have to occupy all the islands once again. The remaining continental areas could be taken later...

This strategy works even better if you have cores on Venetian islands and territory. (OE, BYZ, ATH, KAR, TRE). As the OE you can just occupy the continent, probably Dalmatia, Istria, Venezia, possibly Mantua and Ragusa.... with all these territories you should have ca. 50%, then you can claim all those unreacheble islands, like Crete, Corfu, Ionia and Cyprus... pretty simple, in the next war(s) take the remaining islands and the mainland, and in the end a Venezia with a cot... :)
 
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Getting a CB against Venice is easy, just send a bunch of merchants (4-6 at the same time time), and they will probably embargo you.