I see some people wanting to play as Germany and wanting to invade smaller countries like Romania but is it worth it if they can just align with them? What are the benefits of conquering/allying
Conquer or Befriend?
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I don't have allies when I play as Germany. I don't invite any country into my Axis.
I don't have allies when I play as Germany. I don't invite any country into my Axis.
Conquering means you get all their resources and they are used the way you want. Allying would mean you can have priority access to some of their resources, but the others will be spent to achieve their own goals which might not be the same as yours. Allying is, however, less expensive in men/materiel.
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You don't get ALL their resources when conquering.
The percentage of resources/factories/manpower depends on your occupation policies and local resistance management (troops stationed there).
Conquering also raise world tension and IIRC your neighbours attitude towards you.
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Well, if it's like Hoi 3, the last thing you want as Germany are massed allies following you deep into Russia and using up all the supply capacity. Hoi IV looks similar as you don't seem to be able to directly control you Allies operation's so they will do what they want and will probably cause more issues than help.
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thats wrong tho. Your allies will give you controll over their troops if they think that you can manage them better than they can. We saw that during WWW, when Spain and Italy gave controll over large chunks of their army to germany. That way well coordinated attacks like operation barbarossa or d-day landings are possible to propperly execute.
Allying gets you:
Their army
Their manpower(indirectly)
Their full production(also indirectly)
They will trade with you
Allying costs you:
You won't get all resources
You won't get your factories directly
The time and resources you need to influence them.
Conquering gets you:
Factories(depending on occupation policy)
A very small part of their manpower directly
Most of their resources
Conquering costs you:
Manpower/equipment wasted on conquering them
Their army
Most of their manpower
Some of their factories and resources
World tension(if you do it pre world war)
Partisans with all their negative effects, and the divisions you need to spend for dealing with them(if you do it during the world war)
Their army
Their manpower(indirectly)
Their full production(also indirectly)
They will trade with you
Allying costs you:
You won't get all resources
You won't get your factories directly
The time and resources you need to influence them.
Conquering gets you:
Factories(depending on occupation policy)
A very small part of their manpower directly
Most of their resources
Conquering costs you:
Manpower/equipment wasted on conquering them
Their army
Most of their manpower
Some of their factories and resources
World tension(if you do it pre world war)
Partisans with all their negative effects, and the divisions you need to spend for dealing with them(if you do it during the world war)
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It depends on who you are but as Germany conquering will usually be better as any friendly minor won't be able to contribute much and they will be technologically backwards. Better to put that IC and manpower into the latest and greatest Germany can build.
As the allies you will end up with lots of minor friends and it is better to befriend and just hope they contribute something.
As the allies you will end up with lots of minor friends and it is better to befriend and just hope they contribute something.
Particularly for Romania they have a fairly large army, so allying with them gets you a lot of troops that at the very least can pin down the Soviets and free up your troops for deeper attacks and in the best case can take a lot of heat off your guys.
My only concern about allying Romania as Germany, is what trade law they have. If they have closed market then your screwed.. I'm pretty sure in the stream they said that would be balanced/revised before launch. I'd hate to have to conquer a good ally just because of a trade law.
It should be noted that non-core territory that you annexed still wont give you all resources or manpower. You get 3% of the possible manpower (after your recruitment policy) and only 50% of the resources and factories.
Lets take germany for an example. Yes, you would simply conquer all of europe, but that will not only cost you manpower and equipment fighting them, but also removes their armies, which means you loose alot of divisions that could fight on your side. Sure, you get some of the equipment when you conquer them but you wont be able to utilize much manpower at all. You only get a fraction of the possible manpower (3% was the latest number i heard from daniel if i recall correctly) and you get only half the possible resources and factories from non-core territory aswell. Germany alone cant really take on the soviet union, since they would run out of manpower eventually. Their best chance is to make allies, rather than enemies. Romania, Hungary and Italy for example could secure the flanks, while you push towards Moscow and Stalingrad and ultimately to the caucasus for example. They also take some stress away from you by guarding their own coast and also reacting to naval invasions for example.
Lets take germany for an example. Yes, you would simply conquer all of europe, but that will not only cost you manpower and equipment fighting them, but also removes their armies, which means you loose alot of divisions that could fight on your side. Sure, you get some of the equipment when you conquer them but you wont be able to utilize much manpower at all. You only get a fraction of the possible manpower (3% was the latest number i heard from daniel if i recall correctly) and you get only half the possible resources and factories from non-core territory aswell. Germany alone cant really take on the soviet union, since they would run out of manpower eventually. Their best chance is to make allies, rather than enemies. Romania, Hungary and Italy for example could secure the flanks, while you push towards Moscow and Stalingrad and ultimately to the caucasus for example. They also take some stress away from you by guarding their own coast and also reacting to naval invasions for example.
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Not if you actually conquer the country and sign a peace deal. Then you get all the resources (but only a fraction of the manpower). Occupation Policies don't affect states that you have annexed. I assumed the OP was talking about that.
