Confused about primary title, elective succession and the destruction of titles (a.k.a. it's about Portugal)

[Quuaddib]

Hello there,

I find myself in this situation: I wanted to go for the "Last Count, First King" achievement. A few generations in, a cascade of very funny (but in this context irrelevant) shenanigans led to me, "accidentally" (ahem) usurping the kingdom of Galicia. Only after that I realized that I could only form Portugal if I wasn't king already - I had made a mistake. So my quest to get rid of my primary title began.

And what I tried was this:
I added the feudal elective law to Galicia. At first, it seemed as if things were going my way: I voted for Count RandomDude of SomeOtherDynasty to become the next king of Galicia after I would be gone. The game informed me that this wasn't optimal and I might lose land, but I was satisfied. After all, the succession tab showed that my son would still inherit all OTHER titles, which was exactly what I wanted. But a while later something strange happened: The game changed its mind. Sure, Count RandomDude would still be the next king of Galicia, but now the succession tab showed that he would stand to inherit ALL my titles. The game warned me sternly that this would mean Game Over as soon as death's embrace would come for me. Voting for my son (or any family member, really) remedied this: My son would inherit everything. Unfortunately, also Galicia.

And thus, I am confused now: What is actually supposed to happen? Is it possible to get rid of one's primary title and kingdom this way and something bugged out? Or is it intended that all of my titles go to the winner of this election?

All I want, after all, is get rid of Galicia, so I can form Portugal. Any other tips how I can achieve this? Or should I just call it quits and accept this achievement run as failed? I mean, it was a pretty fun run, so no regrets, but I felt like I was *so* close to achieving my goal ...

 

[Emperor 1997]

Hello there,

I find myself in this situation: I wanted to go for the "Last Count, First King" achievement. A few generations in, a cascade of very funny (but in this context irrelevant) shenanigans led to me, "accidentally" (ahem) usurping the kingdom of Galicia. Only after that I realized that I could only form Portugal if I wasn't king already - I had made a mistake. So my quest to get rid of my primary title began.

And what I tried was this:
I added the feudal elective law to Galicia. At first, it seemed as if things were going my way: I voted for Count RandomDude of SomeOtherDynasty to become the next king of Galicia after I would be gone. The game informed me that this wasn't optimal and I might lose land, but I was satisfied. After all, the succession tab showed that my son would still inherit all OTHER titles, which was exactly what I wanted. But a while later something strange happened: The game changed its mind. Sure, Count RandomDude would still be the next king of Galicia, but now the succession tab showed that he would stand to inherit ALL my titles. The game warned me sternly that this would mean Game Over as soon as death's embrace would come for me. Voting for my son (or any family member, really) remedied this: My son would inherit everything. Unfortunately, also Galicia.

And thus, I am confused now: What is actually supposed to happen? Is it possible to get rid of one's primary title and kingdom this way and something bugged out? Or is it intended that all of my titles go to the winner of this election?

All I want, after all, is get rid of Galicia, so I can form Portugal. Any other tips how I can achieve this? Or should I just call it quits and accept this achievement run as failed? I mean, it was a pretty fun run, so no regrets, but I felt like I was *so* close to achieving my goal ...

Increase your Tyranny(or make all powerful Vassals angry by giving and revoking Court Positions) and your Vassals will probably start an Dissolution Faction against you, but this depends on Luck and on the AI.

 

[Scrambles]

Might be bug?

Fear of this exact scenario has always prevented me from playing elective in CK2 and CK3

 

[Comrade_Boris]

Did you adopt a single heir succession type (House Seniority, Primo, etc.)? I think these work by actually granting all titles to your primary heir with primary heir defaulting to a different person depending on the specific single heir succession. The catch here is you can change your primary heir either through elections on your primary title (your current case) or by designating heir interaction at crown authority 4.

If you're still on a partition succession type, I think there's a loop hole where you can get similar behavior (since partition depends on predefined boundaries in game trying to keep titles together and cannot be a true split one would expect Carolingian partition). I have not been able to reproduce one but I suspect you could by electing an unlanded person since they would nessacarily need to inherit some other title as well.

 

[Quuaddib]

Thanks to everyone for their tips and input. By use of a dissolution faction and a bit of patience I managed to form Portugal via decision. Unfortunately, the achievement didn't fire (while it still shows in-game that my game is achievement-compatible). So something buggy must be going on in my save.