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Before this, a child's yearly stat gain was influenced by the parents' stats from age 0-6 and by the educator's stats from age 6-16. Also, the child's education trait was largely determined by the educator's education trait (see Arumba's analysis from a few years ago). Unless I'm misreading something, these changes sound like there's a lot more RNG involved now, so that you essentially have less control over your child's development. Could you comment on why you thought this was a necessary change? I'm not against other additions like the childhood focus, I just don't see the point in changing an education system that worked perfectly fine.
I imagine it's to counter that mid-to-late game simplicity. Education is difficult until you have that one genius/high diplomacy ruler, then he educates his heir, who educates his who educates his, and low and behold you have a long line of 20+ diplomacy rulers who make running a kingdom a cinch.
 
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Before this, a child's yearly stat gain was influenced by the parents' stats from age 0-6 and by the educator's stats from age 6-16. Also, the child's education trait was largely determined by the educator's education trait (see Arumba's analysis from a few years ago). Unless I'm misreading something, these changes sound like there's a lot more RNG involved now, so that you essentially have less control over your child's development. Could you comment on why you thought this was a necessary change? I'm not against other additions like the childhood focus, I just don't see the point in changing an education system that worked perfectly fine.
Or less RNG depending on how you look at it. Previously, education wasn't guaranteed in a certain direction. Even with a grey eminence guardian you could get an indulgent wastrel child. If I read this correctly your child will be guaranteed a certain type of education and can be steered towards certain traits between age 0-11.

I guess this change means that you will have less chance of a spectacularly great child but still decent reliability in getting a child that at least has a decent stat in the direction you want it.
 
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This DD is amazing, and despite my misgivings about coalitions and sadness that optimization efforts seemed to have abandoned (as the chief issue with this game, IMHO), most of the changes seem to be welcome, amazing and are likely to add a lot of depth and flavor to the game. The Council mechanics is beautiful, and I love the new changes to ambition and associated game-play options. Also, the idea of making direct requests to the liege is another welcome boost to playing as a vassal.

One of the things I am curious about is weather the ”ask for land from liege” can only be satisfied by the liege giving land from his/her demesne, or can this extend to backing claims on the land of other vassals. I am asking this because in some games the liege has a demesne that is not significantly larger than those of many vassals. Also, I hope that these requests will not be spammed by AI vassals when playing a liege. Having 10 vassals with little land and 5-6 sons each would be a nightmare.

Anyway, overall seems an amazing job. I have by now abandoned EU4 (and its sloppy expansions) completely in favor of CK2 and the depth gap continues to grow...
 
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Some good stuff, some meh. Not a fan of randomising childhood development, takes more control away from the player but the focuses are pretty cool. The revamped ambitions are good and for the most part I'm liking the councillor stuff. Not liking the new vassal obligations thing, it takes away control of determining how much exactly the vassals give you. Revamped laws screen is good though. Big annoyance though:
We had some spare room, so we decided to add in a flavorful image and text to represent the realm you’re ruling.
It's pointless and taking up space, you say you're able to show more inheritance laws without scrolling on the new screen but that screenshot shows you still have to scroll, instead of using that space to show a pointless picture fill it out with the inheritance laws then there will be no need for scrolling at all. much better. Oh well, probably be moddable.

A small request: on the name child screen could we have a button that picks a random name from that culture? Like in the character creator. Sometimes I hate a name the game comes up with and want an alternative that still fits in with the culture, having that little random dice icon next to the input box would be awesome.

Too long to read! Will do it later.
What do you get out of doing this? LOL FIRST POST!!!!!!!!!! so dumb.
 
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I'm a bit confused in regards to a few things about education: The diary text reads
...the Educator’s traits will now very rarely affect the child’s development [...] Also, a young character’s attributes [...] is no longer affected by the Guardian’s or Educator’s stats.
but is paired with a screenshot where the 'Educate Child' tooltip reads: "The choice is important, because the mentor will tend to pass on their skills, traits, [...] and type of education"
Is there a discrepancy here?

If a guardian is indeed unimportant, as I seem to understand from the diary text, and the child gains traits and skills primarily based on their Childhood/Education Focus, then what is the benefit of appointing a guardian? Also, what is the difference between the terms 'guardian' and 'educator' as they are used in the diary? Finally, will any child automatically be assigned a suitable educator (who is not called a 'guardian'?) if the liege does not actively assign one?

Thank you in advance.

Also, awesome dev diary. Really looking forward to this expansion.
 
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How will the new crown law work with tribals?

Specifically being able to go feudal/republic?

And also what will affect autonomous vassal armies?

Id really like to be able to have autonomous vassal armies as a feudal lord aswell.....

Still dont like "late" and "traditional" as names, feel to fixed , advanced and minimal/none seem better.

Also I hope role of women is not fully unlockable by all government/culture/religion types...
 
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What a nice DD! Can't wait to play it!

EDIT: On a side note, how moddable are the new things?
Will it be hard to add new council laws etc? And how about the amount of council members?
 

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All of these features, particularly new law feature will be compatible with EU4 converter? Please give some attentions to EU4 converter I already paid!
 
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The childhood and education focuses are set by the liege of an unlanded character and by the child itself if landed. As a liege you can ask a vassal to switch the childhood focus of a child in your care to heritage in order to change their culture and religion.

So who sets the the focuses, the direct-liege (as stated in the quote for unlanded characters) or the educator, which can be e.g. the top-liege? Will it still possible to micro manage all children of vassals to (likely) become e.g. content people with stewardship education when the top-liege assigns their educators?

I am confused about the influence of the educator. On the one hand you wrote: "the guardianship is more of an honorary function used for diplomacy." On the other hand the ingame tooltip still states:

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Are the terms educator and guardians even synonyms?
 
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Who can you appoint as captain for your mercenary band? Any courtier like even your son or that annoying cousin or is it limited to just unlanded courtiers with no relation to anyone?

Also what happens when the captain (mysteriously) dies? Do you get to appoint a new captain from among your courtiers, the bands courtiers or is the new leader randomly elected?
 
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This looks amazing! One query regarding the council laws and what they can vote one. Can we add in the ability for them to vote on other things such as targeted decisions and not just the hardcoded diplo actions?
 
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I think they just haven't gotten around to updating the tooltip, it looks like it's still the one in the release version.
 
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How does the Status of Women bar and new flexible inheritance law system apply to cultures/religions/gov types in the game that have had hard-coded succession laws like Muslim dynasties, for example?
 
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@Groogy is there no law relating to whether councilors can be freely appointed and replaced, or retain their position for life?

That law would be nice addition.


New focus system for children looks good but I don't like that now guardian has little impact on children traits.
 
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Greetings!

Today we’re going into the details of some features from the expansion. Just like last week the team has cooperated in writing this diary. First out @WitchKing and @markuso will give you the details on how we changed the life of children.

In Conclave, we have made a major rework in how young characters develop in terms of upbringing and education. Basically, non-adult characters now go through two phases, younger childhood (0-11) and adolescence (12-15), and for players who own Conclave, new childhood and adolescence events have replaced the old trait related events. Although these effects will primarily be felt when playing as a young ruler, other characters near children and adolescents will also occasionally be presented with various events affecting trait outcomes for the young ones, taking a part in their story and affecting how they develop.

From the age of six, all children will have an Educator. Just as before, you have the option of appointing a guardian to act as Educator for your child, but otherwise the Educator may be a parent, liege or regent. You can also choose a Childhood Focus to guide the direction of the child’s development (see below). Note that the Educator’s traits will now very rarely affect the child’s development - this is a major change to how it worked before. Also, a young character’s attributes now grow randomly with some genetic influence from the parents - but is no longer affected by the Guardian’s or Educator’s stats. The reasoning behind these changes is that a child’s everyday interactions are primarily with nannies and tutors, while the guardianship is more of an honorary function used for diplomacy.

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Educating a child left, and choosing focus on the right.


Childhood Focuses
A Childhood Focus will impact the likelihood of certain trait outcomes and with the Heritage or Faith focuses also religion and culture assimilation.

Childhood Traits
The new traits that children receive are different from the regular adult traits. These new traits are defined more as childish personalities and tendencies, and each Childhood Trait has the possibility of maturing into one of several adult traits during adolescence. The Childhood Traits are gained through a set of new events in Conclave.


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Childhood Trait: Curious


When a child reaches the respectable age of twelve they are considered an adolescent, this is the start of a new era, Education.

Education Focuses

Focuses are conveniently color coded to resemble their adult counterparts. Focuses cannot be changed once set and will guarantee that the character receives an education trait of that category on reaching adulthood. The tooltip for an Education Focus indicates which traits increase or decrease the chances for a higher level education outcome from that particular Focus. You may still select any Education Focus you want, but some children have more aptitude for war, for example, and will prosper more if you send them down that path.

The childhood and education focuses are set by the liege of an unlanded character and by the child itself if landed. As a liege you can ask a vassal to switch the childhood focus of a child in your care to heritage in order to change their culture and religion.

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Diplomatic Education Focus

Now @Groogy will go deeper into a subject we touched upon in the last dev diary and tell you more about how councilors vote.

So today I am going to talk a little about the decision making behind the councillors when they vote on your council. First I will say that the system is fairly automatic except when it comes to voting for laws so you won’t get a thousand of pop-ups during your playthrough just because your liege want to check with you if it’s okay if he presses your claim to some county. In laws you can yourself decide if you want to vote with a “Fo sho” or “Aw hell naw” but when it comes to the everyday matters you choose a position to adopt which will set what kind of attitude you will have on matters. This also makes interaction with the AI on matters more transparent as they play with the same rules as the human and you will be able to easily see why they vote as they do by simply hovering over the voting reason icon in the voting window. The AI will act on the council based on their own agendas and pick positions that suits them.


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There are five different positions that a councillor can adopt. Loyalist, Pragmatist, Glory Hound, Zealot and Malcontent. The Loyalist and Malcontent are the polar opposites of each other where the Loyalist will be loyal to the Crown and vote accordingly while the Malcontent will refuse anything their liege proposes. The Glory Hounds concern themselves with the greatness of the realm and wants their King to prove that their Kingdom is the greatest on the surface of the Earth while the Pragmatists are more concerned with stability and low risk. The Zealots main concern of course is that the holy scripture is followed and that the realm does not deviate from the will of God. But as you can see in the picture these various positions are not absolute and some can be swayed if given the right incentive….

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@rageair now will present the changes we’ve made to laws and how ambitions have changed.

Greetings, loyal Lords and Ladies of the realm! I’d like to show you how we’ve redone the laws for the upcoming Conclave DLC. We’ve aimed to break down the formerly rather uninteresting laws in order to present you with more choices in how to run your realm. Many laws, i.e. Crown Authority, have been broken down into their constituent parts and in some cases completely reworked. Your council will also have varying opinions about these different laws, some might approve of you Centralizing the realm while others approve your right to revoke titles from Heretics, but it’s going to be a hard to find a council that’ll let you pass any law you want. This means that it’ll be more of a challenge to pass laws than it used to be, but hopefully it’ll also feel more interesting and useful to do so!

Inheritance

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The Inheritance screen is mostly the same, except for the obvious facelift. This screenshot is of the Duke of Breizh in 1066 and as you can see it’s possible to see most of the succession laws without having half of them hidden in a scrolling list. We’ve also extended the pretender list to show more characters, which I find especially useful in elective realms. We had some spare room, so we decided to add in a flavorful image and text to represent the realm you’re ruling. There’s a lot of these to discover, so try mixing & matching laws, religions, cultures and capital locations to find some of the more exotic ones!

Realm Laws

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The Realm Laws tab contains most of the laws you’ll recognize from pre-Conclave. In this screenshot I’m playing as the nation I run in the Developer Multiplayer; Jardarus. As you can see I’ve not had much time to change my Realm Laws, although my main focus from now will be to outlaw out-of-realm inheritance which is one of the few Crown Laws still in the game (as indicated by the Crown next to the name).

It’s in this screen that you’ll be able to manage the new laws derived from the old Crown Authority laws, such as Controlled Realm Inheritance, Title Revocation and a new Administration law called ‘Late’ which enables the late-game succession forms (i.e. Primogeniture). You’ll also find old friends such as the Centralization and Viceroyalty laws, along with the new addition of Status of Women (which is harder to pass than Imperial government in many cases!). While the early steps of the Status of Women gradually open up job titles for landed women, female dynasty members and nuns, the later stages enable Absolute Cognatic (equal inheritance for men & women) as well as being able to use women as generals in your armies!

As Crown Authority is gone, most laws will be unlocked by a combination of Technology and Council approval.

Obligations
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Obligations replace the old tax/levy laws. Obligations represent a balance in what a certain type of vassal has to provide you, their liege, with. The scale is a range of tax and min/max levy size, with each vassal type preferring one direction over the other (with the exception of Temple vassals, they want to stay in the center!). Vassals always provide you with tax and levies unless you’re at the very edge of the scale, so it’s mostly a matter of your personal preference. I myself like taxing the Bourgeoisie and getting my levies from the Gentry, although they tend to disagree with me...

Absolutism/Empowered Council

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There’s two very different ways of ruling your realm - ruling together with your Council (to varying degrees) or with an Iron Fist as an Absolute Ruler. In the screenshot you can see the various Council Laws as they are set for the Holy Roman Empire at the start in 1066. The Holy Roman Empire has a fully empowered Council, which means that the Council gets a say in everything they do. Though if you start as a Muslim ruler at the same date, the situation looks different. They start with no Council Laws enabled, which means that they rule with an Iron Fist and get all the bonuses from doing such (i.e. being able to change laws at a whim, albeit with a longer cooldown), though this is obviously not appreciated by their vassals who will most likely start factions to increase the power the Council gets. Naturally, the most common thing to see is a healthy middle ground - a constant struggle between the Ruler and the Council.

This works differently for Tribal and Nomadic rulers, where Tribal rulers enable Council Laws by increasing Tribal Organization in order to Feudalize, and Nomads always have all of the Council Laws enabled.

Ambitions
For Conclave we’ve decided to remove most of the the largely insignificant old ambitions in favor of new ambitions with a bit more player agency and weight behind them. This means that you won’t be seeing any ‘Get Married for +5 prestige’ ambitions, but rather ambitions that actually alter the flow of gameplay in a significant way!

First off, the ‘Become King’ ambition has been changed slightly. Having the ambition now allows a slight chance of successfully fabricating a claim on a kingdom, and having it also reduces the cost of creating a new kingdom. Now on to the new ambitions!


Ask for Council Position

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If you feel like having a say in how the business of the realm is run you can now take the ‘Become Councillor’ ambition, which replaces the old similar ambitions. With this ambition active you’re able to manually ask your liege for a position on the council. As you can see in the screenshot, it’s not always an easy thing to get on the council of your liege - but if you build up enough opinion and/or invite your liege to plenty of private feasts you might just sway the odds in your favor! Vassals with this ambition who have a favor on their liege tend to use it to guarantee themselves a spot on the council!

Ask for Land for an Unlanded Son

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If you’ve got plenty of sons but too little land it might be a good idea to ask your benevolent liege for some more! With the ‘Gain Land for Unlanded Son’ ambition it’s possible to ask your liege to give land to a second or third son of yours, increasing the influence of your dynasty in the realm. This is a tall order for just anyone of low status to ask of their liege, but if you’re lucky and/or have friends in high places it might just work out!

Ask Liege for Title

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If you’re really brave you might dare to ask your liege directly for land. Now this might not please your liege too much, but if you’re influential enough your liege might just cave to your demands! Just beware so that you’re not impressed by vague promises...

Build a War Chest

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If you find yourself lacking money for that war you’d really like to wage, you can choose the ‘Build a War Chest’ ambition in order to prepare! When you choose this ambition your vassals will gain the ability to send you donations in order to fill the War Chest, though they often have ulterior motives for doing so. You might occasionally receive a donation offer from a vassal that you can choose to accept in exchange for a favor - a powerful alternative currency that’s been brought up in another Dev Diary. Though if you’ve got no patience for your vassals you can always choose to ‘Extort your Subjects’!

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By choosing to do this morally dubious action you can raise vast amounts of money in a short amount of time, but at the cost of Tyranny and general opinion. You’ll be able to extort the pathetic peasants residing in your demesne provinces, the wealthy characters of your court and the greedy clergymen who do nothing but sit on their riches. You’ll effectively be sacrificing long-term gain for short-term gain, a choice that’ll be yours to make.

Finally, as promised in the last dev diary, @Servancour will present you with a new business opportunity!

Dynamic Mercenaries
Since we enjoyed the Dynamic Mercenaries mechanic added in Horse Lords, we decided to expand upon them further. With Conclave, lords and doges alike will be able to create a Mercenary Band of their own! Unlike nomads however, who sends off their sons to gain fame and prestige, these Mercenary Bands are assembled to increase the wealth of its creator. Whenever the band is hired by anyone else, you will gain a percentage of the band’s income.

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Before you can create a band, you need to have an eligible courtier that has a military education available (you can also not already have a band under you service, since you are limited to a single one). The band itself is created through a targeted decision on the character you want to appoint as its captain. Though you’ll have to pay the new captain a small fee of 50 gold before he can get started.

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The sizes of the created Mercenary Bands will vary depending on your own levy size. The band will look at your personal demesne and use a percentage of your levies to decide how large the band will be. Thus created bands will come in many different sizes and will be ranging from just a few hundreds all the way up to two or three thousands. Potentially though, they may end up with much more than that. The most common size will probably be in between the nomadic mercenaries and the smaller pre-existing Mercenary Companies. Even if you don’t create a band yourself, these will be good for filling in the gap in situations where you will want to have a few hundreds of additional soldiers to guarantee victory against a slightly weaker or equally strong opponent. Rather than paying a hefty sum for more soldiers than you’ll need.

Maintaining these mercenaries comes at a cost however, so you will not always want to have a band active. When you assemble a band, all of your demesne holding will be affected by the “Maintaining Mercenary Band” holding modifier. This will lower your levy sizes for as long as you control the band. You will be able to dismiss the band whenever you want though to remove the modifier, as long as they aren’t being hired by anyone else.

Finally, all mercenary captains will eventually grow more ambitious when granted the opportunity to lead troops of their own. They will start asking you for more troops to reinforce the band with and possibly even ask for more money! If grown too ambitious, they will even be able break away from your control. To prevent this, you will be able to replace the captain through a targeted decision with a suitable replacement. This will reset the ambitious level of the band and you will be free to continue to enjoy your extra income.

That’s it for today! We hope you’ve all enjoyed this dev diary and we’ll see you on the release a week from now.
That was one massive dev diary, but still no hereditary council membership? How about concil elective sucession (where only the council gets to vote for a new ruler).
Aside from that these are all nice additons, provided that the AI uses them somewhat rationally.

Oh and I'm a bit dissapointed that feudal/late wasn't about calling you vassals as allies, honestly I always felt that was a better representation of the feudal system.

Also I feel that it'd be nice if mercs wasn't leavies but retinues, a way to not have to pay (por atleast pay less) upkeep for your retinues by letting them be mercs when you dont need them (but at a chance that they may defect entirly).
 
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Well Child balancing I already expected so it has postive and negative.

The other thing was also expected, so I don´t mind.
Mercenary band wasn´t expected already modded it for my dynasty, but balancing of mercenary tradition is good. cause I ended up with 12k mercenaries companies. or sometimes ..... 30k merc bands. (that is ridiculous)

The real question are they playable? since usually I send my heirs to a mercenary band to get the adventurer trait. (so I lose them for 5 years) and hope to gain mercenary traditions.
(so can I console play them again like holy orders and other things? without a game over screen)
And are there new events for them? I don´t like the cost of 50 gold, I would rather have them cost 250 gold. (not every count should start a mercenary company, and gives players something to save towards)

And using that dynamic mercenary system might really again créate tons of mercenaries company around the world.
Nothing more silly then seeing every count and above having mercenary bands and the whole mercenary hiring cluttered full with unknown mercenary bands.

Edit the also important question can I vassalise them, with giving them land since we are restricted to 1 band it isn´t a big deal, unlike dynamic mercenaries that could end up with a whole legion of mercenary companies.

This would make people more happy cause they can now have well a weaker versión of varangian guard.
if they can afford the gold.
 
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