Concerned about research in demo

[avee]

Today I played a game as King of Aragon for about 50 years (using extended timeframe mod) and have some concerns about tech research.
Here is a screenshot of tech advances in province Alto Aragon at the game start:

Here is the same province 51 years latter:

Not a single tech was researched! Progress bars show about 25% progress - does it mean that you need 200 years to research a tech?

My advisors spent considerable abount of time researching military and economy tech - but result is insignificant. Several times my spymaster managed to get some knowledge in Constantinople and you can see the result in Noble Customs and Cultural Flexibility.

Has anyone seen a single tech advance in demo and how long did it take?

 

[Hinkelstein]

Yes, I also dont know how tech advance really work.. and it seems its very very slow.

Maybe there is somebody, who can explain the system

 

[Zoob]

Due to the research ability speeding up the closer you get to certain dates being coded into the game, because your year is 700 you are still a good 400 years off the first discovery, so it's as if you were trying to discover level V technology in 1066.

Hope this helps.

 

[Lornalt]

when you modded this game to extend your game time did you mod your defines files to match the tech increase rate for the years too?

 

[Swuboo]

Every other Paradox game slows down research on technology that's too far ahead of the game year, to ensure relative parity amongst similar nations. The EU series, the HOI series, the Vicky series.

Think about what you're doing here. You're trying to research 11th century techs in the 7th century. You're researching techs four hundred too advanced in a game with a four hundred year timespan.

 

[Zarine]

With the date change, you get a HUGE malus because the tech is ahead of its time.
If you look the tooltip of the research for a province (select the province, put the mouse over one of the 3 tech icon), you'll see a big red number saying the chance is very very low...
I must admit, I'm amazed that you have so much progress considering the malus.

 

[unmerged(164239)]

In province view you can check annual research progress (advances icons). It is from 0.5% - 20% yearly, but actual progress seems to be ten times smaller. If you have 20% per year, you should be able to get research done in 5 years. Question is, if slow tech progress is intended and tooltip is wrong or other way.

 

[Fjoelsvider]

the mod i use changes all dates in all txt files, so the game should treat research as if i had started in 1066. it is still very slow.

only thing i imagine making a huge impact later on are buildings. with the loads of money you get you can upgrade all bishoprics (fortunately you can build them even if you are not the holder) and these will increase research... hopefully

 

[SlyEcho]

It's a problem with your mod, mine does not have this problem.

 

[avee]

Due to the research ability speeding up the closer you get to certain dates being coded into the game, because your year is 700 you are still a good 400 years off the first discovery, so it's as if you were trying to discover level V technology in 1066.

Hope this helps.

The mod I use changes all dates in game files, so it doesnt have to matter. Still, it may be the problem, but I havent seen a single tech advance even in unmodded demo.

It's a problem with your mod, mine does not have this problem.

Maybe. Have you seen any tech advance?

 

[SlyEcho]

Yes I saw it yesterday. Tech advance is slow but it is happening, I had a few points of increase.

At first when I modded my game I just changed the full dates (like 1066.12.15) to be 400 in the past, tech was really slow in this case. Yesterday I read I need to change lines that are in the format year = 1066 too, plus five lines in defines.lua.

I have my own script so I don't know if those changes are in the other one on the cheats thread (the one that needs awk or whatever).

 

[Swuboo]

The mod I use changes all dates in game files, so it doesnt have to matter.

Technology.txt doesn't contain any dates to change. Tech speed could very well be hardcoded.

 

[SlyEcho]

There are tech years in defines.lua

 

[Nuril]

Technology.txt doesn't contain any dates to change. Tech speed could very well be hardcoded.

Nah, in \common\defines.lua:

NTechnology = {
	BASE_TECH_GROWTH_CHANCE = 0.012, --Base chance of a progress ( 1/10 of a level ) increase
	BASE_NEIGHBOUR_SPREAD_BONUS = 0.15, --bonus for each neighbour with the tech
	NEIGHBOUR_SAME_RELIGON_GROUP_MULT = 2.0, --multiplier to the above bonus if neighbour is of your religious group
	BASE_DEMESNE_SPREAD_BONUS = 0.25, --bonus for each other province in demesne with the tech
	FOCUS_BONUS = 2.0, --bonus for the tech in each group set as the focus
	
	IDEAL_YEAR_LEVEL_1 = 1066, --the chance to get a progress to this level will increase after this date and decrease before it
	IDEAL_YEAR_LEVEL_2 = 1163,
	IDEAL_YEAR_LEVEL_3 = 1259,
	IDEAL_YEAR_LEVEL_4 = 1356,
	IDEAL_YEAR_LEVEL_5 = 1453,
	
	-- Used to determine tech levels when starting a new game
	
	START_MIL_CATHOLIC  = 1.0,
	START_ECO_CATHOLIC  = 1.0,
	START_CUL_CATHOLIC  = 1.0,
	END_MIL_CATHOLIC    = 3.5,
	END_ECO_CATHOLIC    = 3.5,
	END_CUL_CATHOLIC    = 3.5,
	END_REN_CLOSE       = 5.0, -- Tech level at the center of the renaissance
	END_REN_FAR         = 4.5, -- Tech level on the fringe of the renaissance
	REN_PROVINCE        = 320, -- Province where the renaissance is centered
	START_MIL_MUSLIM    = 1.2,
	START_ECO_MUSLIM    = 2.5,
	START_CUL_MUSLIM    = 2.5,
	END_MIL_MUSLIM      = 3.0,
	END_ECO_MUSLIM      = 3.0,
	END_CUL_MUSLIM      = 3.0,
	START_MIL_OTHER     = 0.0,
	START_ECO_OTHER     = 0.0,
	START_CUL_OTHER     = 0.0,
	END_MIL_OTHER       = 2.5,
	END_ECO_OTHER       = 2.5,
	END_CUL_OTHER       = 2.5,
	START_MIL_BYZANTIUM = 1.5,
	START_ECO_BYZANTIUM = 2.5,
	START_CUL_BYZANTIUM = 2.5,
	END_MIL_BYZANTIUM   = 3.5,
	END_ECO_BYZANTIUM   = 3.5,
	END_CUL_BYZANTIUM   = 3.5,
},

 

[Swuboo]

Nah, in \common\defines.lua:

Ah, fair enough. I note that it's not formatted in the same way as most other dates, though. The various batch scripts people are using may not be catching it.

 

[avee]

Yes I saw it yesterday. Tech advance is slow but it is happening, I had a few points of increase.

At first when I modded my game I just changed the full dates (like 1066.12.15) to be 400 in the past, tech was really slow in this case. Yesterday I read I need to change lines that are in the format year = 1066 too, plus five lines in defines.lua.

I have my own script so I don't know if those changes are in the other one on the cheats thread (the one that needs awk or whatever).

Thank you! I found the possible source of the problem - it`s in defines.lua.