Concentrated industry !seems! overpowered compared to scattered industry

[HerrWeltkrieg]

Disclaimer: I may be wrong!
If I am not mistaken concentrate industry (CI) provides: + 10percent per lvl of efficiency
scattered industry (SI) provides: + 5 percent per lvl of efficiency and + 20percent against bombing

At this point I would like to voice concern that CI might become no brainer since it provides 50percent more than other tech across of all the industry lines! So it appears to me that no bombers will be able to touch my factories if I choose CI since I will be able to produce much more fighters to counter strategic bombing.

I suggest that a malus of 5 percent per level of tech needs to be introduced so strategic bombing is more of a threat.

I fully realize that I havent tried the game yet, but from WWW this seems like one of possible issues.

 

[safe-keeper]

Firstly it's pre-beta, so I suppose numbers are subject to change. Bearing that in mind, and I'm just "thinking out loud" here, I suppose dispersed industry is for when you've already lost the air war, like the situation Germany found itself in in 1944? You make a good point, though.

 

[HerrWeltkrieg]

But can we switch after researching one of the techs? IIRC the guys in the WWW said that we cannot after we choose a path with techs.

 

[Friedericus Rex]

I thought the current iteration was 10% better efficiency on both techs with CI also increasing max number of buildings in a province while DI still gives its defense against bombing. Depending on how likely you are to max out province build limits, and judging by the WWWs that's very likely, it's still a pretty easy decision for CI, but not as clear as before.

 

[HerrWeltkrieg]

I am pretty sure ( watched WWWs yesterday HYPEHYPEHYPE ) that SI is only +5&bombing resist and CI is "just" +10 per level

 

[Lightning Jack]

Wait until my first 1000 bomber raid.......

 

[calebmarkle]

Remember that industry needs to actually be repaired with civilian factories. If you are vulnerable to bombing with concentrated industry as Germany once the UK/USA start a massive bombing campaign you are going to notice your industry crippled and lacking tons of equipment. If you're very vulnerable to bombers such as for Germany or the UK it is probably wise to do dispersed. Having more efficiency isn't going to be that effective once half your factories have been damaged from bombing.

 

[HerrWeltkrieg]

But that is the problem with CI I do believe that you can pump out so many fighters that bomber raids become highly inefficient. Taking into account bomber losses and manpower losses since fighters are faster and far cheaper to produce.

 

[rafan]

Remember that industry needs to actually be repaired with civilian factories. If you are vulnerable to bombing with concentrated industry as Germany once the UK/USA start a massive bombing campaign you are going to notice your industry crippled and lacking tons of equipment. If you're very vulnerable to bombers such as for Germany or the UK it is probably wise to do dispersed. Having more efficiency isn't going to be that effective once half your factories have been damaged from bombing.

We can see long list of repairs neded in last WWW and it was when there was overall even air superiority betwen UK and Germany and not dominance off UK and USA

 

[HerrWeltkrieg]

But if you look closely the strategic bombing effort which Johan designed quite closely did not hamper Jakob much especially after he regained air superiority over his own country. So I fear the strategic bombing is inefficient against large industrialized country like germany ( which it was IRL but due to SI effort of Albert Speer ).

 

[Thaseus]

Alright I took a look at the Finland WWW

Concentrated Industry gives:

• Factory Output: +10.00%
• Building Slots Cap: +2

Dispersed Industry gives:

• Factory Output: +10.00%
• Factory Bombing Defense: +20.00%
  
• Building Slots Cap: +1

Doesn't seem like either are Overpowered.

 

[jcd000]

keep in mind that if you are able to maximize industry (fill all slots) in a state, dispersed industry is much better in order to keep it up.
Afaiu the SU and USA and anyone else with huge lands and not susceptible to bombing would want concentrated, but highly industrialized countries with limited slots to expand 'd want dispersed.

EDIT
In light of the below post, it seems like concentrated is indeed better for mostly anyone...

 

[GsusNSV]

Alright I took a look at the Finland WWW

Concentrated Industry gives:

• Factory Output: +10.00%
• Building Slots Cap: +2

Dispersed Industry gives:

• Factory Output: +10.00%
• Factory Bombing Defense: +20.00%
  
• Building Slots Cap: +1

Doesn't seem like either are Overpowered.

In DD40 they revised factorys and changed the Industry research. Concentrated gives now +20% Output and the cap is raised by 20% (instead of an fixed amount)

 

[3ishop]

It's not a huge % boost, that wont help kick out that much more. If the enemy has more factories and goes the same route they can end up outproducing your fighters with their bombers and you will spiral down if you can't find another way to get back at them.

 

[HerrWeltkrieg]

well if CI is going to give you 50% more than SI without any drawback it will be overpowered/no brainer, especially in cases of countries like USA, USSR or any other that can just abuse it....

 

[chemonaut]

I like that they put in an option to protect factories from bombers, it's so pro-German.

 

[bwc153]

well if CI is going to give you 50% more than SI without any drawback it will be overpowered/no brainer, especially in cases of countries like USA, USSR or any other that can just abuse it....

What's wrong with the US and USSR using their historical advantages to their advantage?

 

[Krovkolosh]

As Germany the lack of ressources might prevent you from keeping air superiority even if you have more factories than UK. So if you regard this, the scattered industry should be preferable for Germany. CI might be an option if you manage to handle the ressource problem somehow.

 

[Katarian]

well if CI is going to give you 50% more than SI without any drawback it will be overpowered/no brainer, especially in cases of countries like USA, USSR or any other that can just abuse it....

Even if concentrated industry only gave a 1% bonus over scattered industry it would still be a no brainer for the USA and probably for the USSR as well.

 

[HerrWeltkrieg]

What's wrong with the US and USSR using their historical advantages to their advantage?

Don't get me wrong there is nothing bad with that, it is just that it should not be a tech without drawback, because currently it seems like it is. Then again I do not know exactly how strong the strategic bombing can be by default but from WWWs up until now it did not impress me (and Johan had quite a number of strategic bombers ). That said I would prefer if SI gave bigger bonus on capacity of industry slots since more room available but less efficiency and CI would give higher efficiency bonus but since less space less factories. Just my two cents.