Composition of innovative - and administrative ideas

[Falkoner]

Yesterday I saw the wealth of nations stream and noticed that Pdox changed some ideas (diplomatic, innovative)

I know this is a never-ending discussion but I think that the bonuses of the innovative - and the administrative ideas should be swapped. It makes more sense!

When you choose administrative ideas you want ideas which improve your "administration". Cheaper Advisors, -25% advisor costs, make it possible to hire better advisors and thereby get more monach points, the best illustration of your administration.

The bonus of innovative ideas on the other hand should be +20% production efficiency. Innovations through the renaissance led to a more productive agriculture (the four field rotation, land reclamation, organic fertilizer etc.) and industry.

I don't think this has an impact on game balance. What do you think? Do you have ideas to improve the composition of idea groups?

 

[bestbrian]

Just simply renaming Defensive as Logistics would eliminate a fair number of threads.

 

[Thanik]

Just simply renaming Defensive as Logistics would eliminate a fair number of threads.

The best idea is to delete all names - espiecially ideas, technology, units and provinces.

 

[fleetothemoon]

Yesterday I saw the wealth of nations stream and noticed that Pdox changed some ideas (diplomatic, innovative)

What exactly is going to be change?

 

[Tub]

What exactly is going to be change?

They took out the Revolution/Counter-Revolution Casus Belli, which I don't understand.

 

[hwoosh]

What did they replace it with?

 

[Morgan Wight]

Iirc, +30% to improved relations.

 

[hwoosh]

Iirc, +30% to improved relations.

Ooh, that's a nice change. Having access to the Rev/Counter-rev CB as early as the 1400s never made much sense anyway.

 

[DicRoNero]

So this CB is now entirely gone or just relocated? Or what?

 

[MiniaAr]

So this CB is now entirely gone or just relocated? Or what?

I'm guessing the CB is still there, but it will be given to monarchies against any country with either Revolutionary Republic or Revolutionary Empire as government. It should probably be a reverse CB meaning a Revolutionary government will have it against monarchies. If this is indeed the case, then the CB will actually make sense . And better relations over time for Diplomacy is really a good bonus, this doesn't mean a nerf, in my opinion.

 

[panda_Express12]

if they get rid of the cb it would take away one of the very few advantages republics have over monarchies imo.

 

[DicRoNero]

I'm guessing the CB is still there, but it will be given to monarchies against any country with either Revolutionary Republic or Revolutionary Empire as government. It should probably be a reverse CB meaning a Revolutionary government will have it against monarchies. If this is indeed the case, then the CB will actually make sense . And better relations over time for Diplomacy is really a good bonus, this doesn't mean a nerf, in my opinion.

Dunno, the ability to switch government form has great benefits for me. Not only you can get plutocratic ideas but also a)boost your king and b)get rid of moronic hiers. There's a drawback of losing all the legitimacy, but still having this option is really great and is pretty much the reason why I pick Diplomacy first nowadays. With better relations over time, I'm not so sure whether this group is that great. This BRoT stuff keeps getting nerfed - at first Religious finisher got halfed, then prestige impact. Now we're getting 30% of it back. Wow!..