How fast can the neutrality of Mao's China be lowered in TFH, 1936 start, without cheats or CGM? I've beenraising threat from the start on Nationalists and Xibei, but even by the time of Marco Polo, I'm still a bit short of the goal.
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Increasing threat on Nat Chi and Xibei should be enough to get you settling into a war footing VERY near to the time of Marco Polo so long as it fires in 38' and not 37'. I prefer raising on both despite the cost, because it's often a TON easier to take Xibei, Sinkiang, Yunnan, The Clique, and Tibet before you try to mess around with NATCHI or Japan, but NATCHI will give more threat than Xibei.
If you end up being late to the party, you can just switch to raising threat on Japan and have a go at them once you secure plenty of the Western provinces.
If you end up being late to the party, you can just switch to raising threat on Japan and have a go at them once you secure plenty of the Western provinces.
Does Embargo affect Neutrality or threat? I feel like handling Nationalist numerical supremacy is impossible, especially as Yunnan guarantees them after I take XSM. If I could attack when Japan does, I might stand a chance.
Yeah the "back stab chang" method does work fairly well - you just have to be careful because NATCHI isn't in a faction, and so, one of the very few cases, a peace without total surrender *is* possible. Sometimes that can mean your border gets really wonky OR you turn NATCHI into a rump state to be dealt with later.
I don't believe embargoing really has any neutrality/threat effect.
One important thing to note - COMCHIs huge advantages are: Their home VPs are *very* defensible. It's extraordinarily difficult to dislodge you from your home VPs so long as you garrison them at all. If you back stab Chang, and wait for the Japanese to advance you won't even need to defend them at all. 2. Your generals are far better than NATCHIs, and your starting troops have an experience advantage over NATCHIs units as well - which means you may have less troops, but they are better
I don't believe embargoing really has any neutrality/threat effect.
One important thing to note - COMCHIs huge advantages are: Their home VPs are *very* defensible. It's extraordinarily difficult to dislodge you from your home VPs so long as you garrison them at all. If you back stab Chang, and wait for the Japanese to advance you won't even need to defend them at all. 2. Your generals are far better than NATCHIs, and your starting troops have an experience advantage over NATCHIs units as well - which means you may have less troops, but they are better
They are better, but as I tried to advance, their power was nullified by the wide areas that needed troop coverage. I have not been able to get a backstab to happen. I'm always left with an option to attack NatChi after the Japanese take their land and make peace, or go for XSM. Low manpower base means I can maybe get 30-ish divisions...compared with NatChi 70!Yeah the "back stab chang" method does work fairly well - you just have to be careful because NATCHI isn't in a faction, and so, one of the very few cases, a peace without total surrender *is* possible. Sometimes that can mean your border gets really wonky OR you turn NATCHI into a rump state to be dealt with later.
I don't believe embargoing really has any neutrality/threat effect.
One important thing to note - COMCHIs huge advantages are: Their home VPs are *very* defensible. It's extraordinarily difficult to dislodge you from your home VPs so long as you garrison them at all. If you back stab Chang, and wait for the Japanese to advance you won't even need to defend them at all. 2. Your generals are far better than NATCHIs, and your starting troops have an experience advantage over NATCHIs units as well - which means you may have less troops, but they are better
I need to find a way to get me that early war...
Yeah a straight up fight with NATCHI is a hard one - especially if you do so after Japan has already taken its chunks, because all of NATCHIs troops will be on a fairly constricted front relative to you.
The best possible option is to try to race Japan for VPs to force NATCHI's surrender with a minimal amount of fighting. Or play a longer game, grab ALL of Western China first, and then build up your forces and fight it out later. The advantage there too is that during your actual war you should have some time to build up somewhat of a Navy in preparation for taking Japan itself Getting Sinkiang is pretty important actually because it'll give you a trade route with the USSR - you can also even help the USSR in its war against Germany if you get bored lol. I've had Mao in Stalingrad before - but the USSR AI still lost lol
The best possible option is to try to race Japan for VPs to force NATCHI's surrender with a minimal amount of fighting. Or play a longer game, grab ALL of Western China first, and then build up your forces and fight it out later. The advantage there too is that during your actual war you should have some time to build up somewhat of a Navy in preparation for taking Japan itself
Getting Sinkiang is pretty important actually because it'll give you a trade route with the USSR - you can also even help the USSR in its war against Germany if you get bored lol. I've had Mao in Stalingrad before - but the USSR AI still lost lol
I had taken Sinkiang, but besides opening trade with the Soviets, it helps little. Do you know how to make the threat of NatChi skyrocket? Does army size factor in?
Their army size does factor in - the best thing you can do is make sure you've got 10 spies in their territory at all times and as quickly as possible - it would be a good idea to spend several months investing ALL of your leadership into spy training so that you can have 10 in xibei and 10 in NATCHI, as well as a bit of a surplus for later on, and make sure the *only* mission they're doing is increasing threat.
I put spies in NatChi right after filling up my own country with spies. Yet, by the summer of 1937, my neutrality is still in the 30-s.
That seems about right - are you playing TFH and using the "prepare for war" decision as well?
Yes. Marco Polo always seems to drop my neutrality to no lower than 14, even if it happens later than August.