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On topic,there should be viable options for various sort of socialisms, be it anarcho, democratic, marxism-leninism,trotskism etc. just because we are talking about gameplay. In V2, it was nearlly impossible to play communist not because it was unavailable, but due to lack of automation - planned economy meant that 90% of your time you haв to manually operate eachand every factory.
 
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On the subject of discrimination in the USSR, I listened to an interesting podcast recently that compares American and Russian experiences of racism while following the story of a family that moved to the USSR in order to flee from racism in the USA.

 
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Given its historical importance and such I hope that Communism is given a solid treatment. Both as a player option and as a AI option.

I also hope that when Communism happens the player can get to form their own version of it, as I've understood there were more views than one about how to do it, and such allow for various versions and paths for it.

And to beat an old drum. If a country becomes Communist that should boost Communist movements and parties in other places because they have a tangible example that it can be done. Likewise if a Communist revolution is put down then it should temporarily dampen enthusiasm for Communism because, hey, it was put down so don't look like a winning solution at that point.
 
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I know about the USSR and it's attempt to wipe out every nationality that wasn't russian
Can you, please, explain, how "wiping out every nationality that wasn't russian" agenda coexisted with promoting native languages, quotas for minorities to be accepted into universities and promotion of naitional republic cadres? I mean, half the propagands USSR broadcased were about how united various nationalities are, how different nations could work on [insert some work].
It is like saying that 3rd Reich attempted to promote judaism.
 
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please stick to the game discussions at hand
 
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You forgot to mention that before that - during Krasnov's reign of Don Republic of 1918-1920 there were mass killings of anyone who were conntected to communist sympathisers, numbering tens of thousands. And "sympathisers" included familiy members, wives and children of those who joined red army. Presenting decossafication as a sudden desire to elimitate some group, without any reasoning behind it, is whitewashing one side in favor of another and devaluing deaths of victims of cossack ethnic cleansing campaigns.
I never claimed that the cossacks where not victims of genocide before the USSR. Unlike some communists i'm not a genocide denier. I was simply pointing out OP was incorrect and the Soviets did engage in ethnic genocide.

I'm sure the game will portray communism well, without making up ahistorical mechanics portraying communists as the "good guys".
 
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I was simply pointing out OP was incorrect and the Soviets did engage in ethnic genocide.

This is why I hope Victoria 3 will be released with a whole bunch of laws so that the player can "tailor" their society the way they want. The simple fact that most, if not all, attempts at communism in the real world have ended in human suffering and totalitarianism doesn't mean that every attempt at communism will follow the same path. If a player wants to make a communist state, they should be free to form a completely different communist regime than the ones we know from history - and one of the easiest ways to do this is to have a lot of laws. Personally, I tend to develop my country into a benevolent absolute monarchy even though that's highly ahistorical. Regardless of what government type the player is going for, they should be able to choose between a benevolent or malevolent path through laws.
 
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Given its historical importance and such I hope that Communism is given a solid treatment. Both as a player option and as a AI option.

I also hope that when Communism happens the player can get to form their own version of it, as I've understood there were more views than one about how to do it, and such allow for various versions and paths for it.

And to beat an old drum. If a country becomes Communist that should boost Communist movements and parties in other places because they have a tangible example that it can be done. Likewise if a Communist revolution is put down then it should temporarily dampen enthusiasm for Communism because, hey, it was put down so don't look like a winning solution at that point.
And just to repeat my take on that particular boost, that a country, especially a great power, becoming communist should tend to shift the policy demands of interest groups that favor communism towards the policies implemented by that communist great power. Basically, the first communist great power should somewhat shape what "communism" means to the rest of the world.
 
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And just to repeat my take on that particular boost, that a country, especially a great power, becoming communist should tend to shift the policy demands of interest groups that favor communism towards the policies implemented by that communist great power. Basically, the first communist great power should somewhat shape what "communism" means to the rest of the world.
This. A big part of the reason Marxism-Leninism was (and still is) popular is because it simply got the most results. How good those results were is debatable, but they undeniable have the highest success rate out of radical left-wing ideologies.
 
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And just to repeat my take on that particular boost, that a country, especially a great power, becoming communist should tend to shift the policy demands of interest groups that favor communism towards the policies implemented by that communist great power. Basically, the first communist great power should somewhat shape what "communism" means to the rest of the world.
Yes, this please. Please let me become a syndicalist beacon for the entire world if I want to, or whatever form of radical socialist / communist doctrine has happened to win in my game. As long as it's not always Marxist-Leninist communism.
 
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On the subject of discrimination in the USSR, I listened to an interesting podcast recently that compares American and Russian experiences of racism while following the story of a family that moved to the USSR in order to flee from racism in the USA.


Thank you for this!
 

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Now that got a chuckle out of me. Thanks for the laugh.
It is of course always nice to find negative examples in everyday life, or to compare them with war situations. It just becomes a little difficult to dissuade the intention, especially when you compare it to the situation in the West.

The main reason is relatively mundane. One can of course say that it works badly economically, etc. But the idea of equality in terms of social conditions applies. There are no huge leaps in terms of salaries and opportunities. In this respect, private bigotry cannot have any major impact.

My ancestors belonged to the German minority in the Soviet Union. Yes, they were deported in the Second World War and afterwards you could also hear stupid sayings. However, this later had less of an impact because the negative attitudes could not solidify into massive economic disadvantages. The basic things were there all along: roughly the same schools, roughly the same apartments, roughly the same salaries, and roughly the same universities. If necessary, you could evade. They tried to create roughly the same living conditions everywhere.

This is partly the case in some European countries. It only has to be said here that these things were introduced either by the Reds or by fear of the Reds.

It is already clear that it is difficult to understand in the USA, where it is mostly discussed between the poles of individual responsibility and purely emotional discrimination.
 

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