OK.As for the rest, agree to disagree, please, as sin is a meaningless thing to me, without religion.
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OK.As for the rest, agree to disagree, please, as sin is a meaningless thing to me, without religion.
Sorry for the late reply!
The Benedictines received pilgrims and the poor. They were not an isolated in any way. They had strict rules about who could enter the main monastery (claustrum) but other than that visitors would be allowed. My wording was wrong, you are right they were not integrated, but they were not isolated like the Cistercians.
The Cistercians focused on Benedicts rule, but are not Benedictines. They are Cistercians.Its Cistercians who adopted the stereotype of hard manual labor, and its they who formed monasteries in the wasteland. The Cistercians adopted a new and radical path that was perceived as a revolution. The Cistercians created a new and radical simplification of the liturgy of the hours. The life of a monk should according to the Cistercians should not be singlehandedly be devoted to Opus Dei, but evenly distributed to two other occupations: letico divinia and labor manuum. Spiritual reading nd manual labor. They also spent a lot of time in meditation, while the Benedictines simply focused on reading.
The core of Benedicts rule was reading. Manual labor not much.
The Benedictine time schedual in the 900's was this :
The Benedictines received pilgrims and the poor. They were not an isolated in any way. They had strict rules about who could enter the main monastery (claustrum) but other than that visitors would be allowed. My wording was wrong, you are right they were not integrated, but they were not isolated like the Cistercians.
The Cistercians focused on Benedicts rule, but are not Benedictines. They are Cistercians.Its Cistercians who adopted the stereotype of hard manual labor, and its they who formed monasteries in the wasteland. The Cistercians adopted a new and radical path that was perceived as a revolution. The Cistercians created a new and radical simplification of the liturgy of the hours. The life of a monk should according to the Cistercians should not be singlehandedly be devoted to Opus Dei, but evenly distributed to two other occupations: letico divinia and labor manuum. Spiritual reading nd manual labor. They also spent a lot of time in meditation, while the Benedictines simply focused on reading.
The core of Benedicts rule was reading. Manual labor not much.
The Benedictine time schedual in the 900's was this :
- Out of bed 2.am, then spent time in the church doing laudes, matutin and prim until 7.am.
- Between 7 and 8 am, time was devoted to washing/cleaning them selves and then return to church, followed by the first mass of the day.
- From 09.30 two hours were spent doing manual labor until a new gathering for the second mass of the day.
- Then recitation until dinner that was consumed at 14.00
- After dinner it was time for either studies or labor.
- Vesper and compline were recited between 17.00 and 19.00.
- Then off to bed.
how did they know what time it was during dark hours? did someone stay up turning sand glasses?
Monks had candles made out of bee wax with lines marked on them. Each line was one hour, and one monk was responsible for
making sure everything was at standard (significator horarum) The measurement of an hour was also complimented by singing a
selected part of the liturgy.
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That and there were water clocks, hourglasses and sundials, and the mechanical clock made its appearance in Europe in the 1200s
Even a fairly basic command of astronomy will allow you to calculate time by the motion of stars. Whilst I have seen no direct references to monks measuring the time this way, it was certainly a method in common use at the time.
Agreed. Sailors used it extensively before some of the more modern navigation tools were developed.