Commune of Rome misrepresented.

[Spartanlemur]

I'll admit my knowledge of history is largely a product of Wikipedia and this forum, but from what I gather, Rome was technically a Republic during the time of the commune, and certainly not a Prince-Bishopric.
Would a republic not more accurately represent the region during the period?

 

[Jeltz]

Is it the County of Rome that should be the republic? Rome was a mess back then and not the stable Papacy we see in CKII. I hope they fix this in either the theocracy or republic DLCs.

 

[Spartanlemur]

Is it the County of Rome that should be the republic? Rome was a mess back then and not the stable Papacy we see in CKII. I hope they fix this in either the theocracy or republic DLCs.

Yes the county of Rome. There was an attempt to recreate the Roman Senate, and so 14 regions elected 4 senators each, who in turn elected Giordano Pierlioni as their leader. It was a true Roman republic for a short while, though it swore allegiance to the HRE to protect itself from the papacy.
1144 was the year in which the revolution began. They demanded the pope give up political power and were effectively a city-state.

If we're to have a Republics DLC at some point, this mistake simply cannot be ignored.

 

[Nax24]

The papacy always did control Rome for a long long time. It also was the last Italian area to join the new Italian Kingdom along with Venice. It took a while for the most religious county and the most wealthiest county to finally join the new Italian kingdom.

 

[Jeltz]

During the rebellion of the Commune of Rome (1143 to 1155) the Pope did not have any control at all over Rome. And even after that he had to share some of his powers with the Senator of Rome who was elected by the citizens of Rome.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Rome#Roman_Commune

 

[Thure]

During the rebellion of the Commune of Rome (1143 to 1155) the Pope did not have any control at all over Rome. And even after that he had to share some of his powers with the Senator of Rome who was elected by the citizens of Rome.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Rome#Roman_Commune

This is in the game. From 1145 to 1155 the county of rome is not a county of the Papacy. And they have the HRE as liege. Look at the history files.

1145.10.1={
	holder=213016
	liege=e_hre
}
1148.1.1={
	holder=413016
}
1155.1.1={
	holder=71809
	liege=k_papal_state
}

And again from 1190 to 1193

1190.1.1={
	holder=220330
	liege=e_hre
}
1193.1.1={
	holder=70841
	liege=k_papal_state
}

 

[Gunnarr]

What Thure said.

 

[Raczynski]

This is in the game. From 1145 to 1155 the county of rome is not a county of the Papacy. And they have the HRE as liege. Look at the history files.

1145.10.1={
	holder=213016
	liege=e_hre
}
1148.1.1={
	holder=413016
}
1155.1.1={
	holder=71809
	liege=k_papal_state
}

And again from 1190 to 1193

1190.1.1={
	holder=220330
	liege=e_hre
}
1193.1.1={
	holder=70841
	liege=k_papal_state
}

But does it have city as a capital? Because otherwise, it would still be a prince-bishopric.

 

[Beta]

Here's the problem with that, by default the city of Rome is represented as a temple holding. There is at least one urban holding within the 'County' of Rome, I think, but since a temple holding already has dibs on the name then the former is called something else.

 

[Spartanlemur]

My biggest issue is the use of Prince-Bishop rather than doge. I know that with LoR when you make Rome your capital it becomes a barony. Surely Paradox can temporarily make Rome's primary holding be the city and not the church?
Like I said, this isn't really the most pressing issue right now, but come the inevitable Republics DLC, the commune of Rome would be a very fun scenario.

 

[Jeltz]

Another interesting republic scenario would be to later as the Senator of Rome try to recreate the Commune.