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My friends, let us concentrate on the matters of the immediate future. Who will lead which army isnt exactly of prime importance at this time. When the time arrives, such decisions shall be made...
I am willing to push for the Hetman title to ensure Balance of Power.
I can not vote in Diet, this handicaps me and leaves a big part of population (my subjects) out of politics. SO I have to put myself into another decision then
I can not vote in Diet, this handicaps me and leaves a big part of population (my subjects) out of politics. SO I have to put myself into another decision then
I have noted this, and all nobles will probably do the same.
Rest assured, it will be discussed in the Diet.
Rest assured, it will be discussed in the Diet.
Originally posted by Silent Eagle
We anxiously await a reply from the Leaguemeister on this issue
Although i must note that i do not entirely trust the military skills of a trading company... but i sincerely hope they will prove my instincts to be wrong!
It is not the Military Skill that we seek from our Merchants, but rather their ability to sponsor such a war and cast guns and cannons for us. We have long taken Danzig under our mighty protection and I pray that our action was not forgotten.
I am saddened by this split of ideas within the Honrable Diet, and so I shall pray that our noble leaders will find a way to unite and seek out one target for our future expansion. And once we unite, we will present our enemies with a front much stronger than of those Heathen Turks for we are ordained by god to keep prosperity and peace throughout the lands.
I would like to note that we havent really heard our King's voice yet in the issue of which is our most dangerous enemy... Personally, i feel that we should cut off Russia's expansion, whilst keeping an eye on the Turks.
That was exactly what I was talking about mister Zamoyscy.
Their ability to buy guns cheap is a great advantage which we should use
Their ability to buy guns cheap is a great advantage which we should use
Announcement from the King
My friends
We, the King, think that we should not allow our Hungarian bretheren to fall. It's our duty to help them when they are in trouble. If not would you expect anyone to come to help us if Commonwealth itself will face grave danger?
Regarding war with Muscovites. I hold no love nor respect for them, they are barbarians, and their last cruel conquest of late Republic of Novgorod only ensured me of this. They may be strong, but united we are clearly superior.
But i must warn you. We should not let our other enemies to take advantage of it. And don't forget that Muscovian devils managed to ally themselves with even more barbaric people-Crimean Khanate.
We may indeed be unable to strike them directly then, and it's one more argument we should ally ourselves with my brother, Vaclav Jagiellonczyk. But you are right, we may strike Golden Horde, whiich is already falling apart.
But, as you all know, this is your decision, not mine, We shall wait till next Diet session, to decide if we will make war on someone.
I might add, though i probably won't live long enough, i would be very happy to see our old Novogrodian friends free again, and their Republic restored
King of Poland, Grand Duke of Lithuania, Kazimierz Jagiellonczyk
My friends
We, the King, think that we should not allow our Hungarian bretheren to fall. It's our duty to help them when they are in trouble. If not would you expect anyone to come to help us if Commonwealth itself will face grave danger?
Regarding war with Muscovites. I hold no love nor respect for them, they are barbarians, and their last cruel conquest of late Republic of Novgorod only ensured me of this. They may be strong, but united we are clearly superior.
But i must warn you. We should not let our other enemies to take advantage of it. And don't forget that Muscovian devils managed to ally themselves with even more barbaric people-Crimean Khanate.
We may indeed be unable to strike them directly then, and it's one more argument we should ally ourselves with my brother, Vaclav Jagiellonczyk. But you are right, we may strike Golden Horde, whiich is already falling apart.
But, as you all know, this is your decision, not mine, We shall wait till next Diet session, to decide if we will make war on someone.
I might add, though i probably won't live long enough, i would be very happy to see our old Novogrodian friends free again, and their Republic restored
King of Poland, Grand Duke of Lithuania, Kazimierz Jagiellonczyk
Most Noble King,
I agree that we must make peaceful overtures towards Hungary. As for Novgorod, if you wish it free, I shall lead a raid there myself(although I am old, I shall do this, if my King commands it).And yes, we must move to weaken Russia. They have allies in Pskov and Crimea, 2 nations which border us. As it is, they present a much more dangerous threat than the Ottoman Empire at the moment. I acknowledge that some lands border the Turks, but many more border Russia and her allies, as well as Hungary. Might I ask all nobles who are opposed to an alliance with Hungary; is it better we have enemies on all sides?So that Russia will have a free hand in the Khanates(and with the khanates, what is to stop them from turning west, towards us?)We MUST disable them, and soon. For every day they grow in stature, and word has it they think they are the defenders of the orthodox faith. I do not remember changing my name to Alexei and swearing fealty to them. Do any of my noble Orthodox brethren remember this? As it is, they are an affront to us, to our Commonwealth, and, in fact, to the Orthodox religon! They consider themselves the "Third Rome"? And what of the Metropolitan of Kiev? Has he no power? Is he not closer in mind and spirit to us than any damnable(pardon my language nobles, but this truly maddens me) Russian clergy? So I say, we strike at the Russian Heart, sack Moscow, and kill any fool Muscuvite who would stand against us.
If we allow them to grow too strong, thye might look upon the chance to gain a Baltic port, and look at both us and the Teutonic Order. We can not chance them only go for the Order.
And yes, my King, to strike at the Horde, it might be advisable, but I most humbly suggest that should we gain the friendship of Hungary, we strike at Russia immediately. Truly, united, we are a power to be reckoned with.
As always, I am your most humble servant,
Prince Roman Feliks Ostrogski
I agree that we must make peaceful overtures towards Hungary. As for Novgorod, if you wish it free, I shall lead a raid there myself(although I am old, I shall do this, if my King commands it).And yes, we must move to weaken Russia. They have allies in Pskov and Crimea, 2 nations which border us. As it is, they present a much more dangerous threat than the Ottoman Empire at the moment. I acknowledge that some lands border the Turks, but many more border Russia and her allies, as well as Hungary. Might I ask all nobles who are opposed to an alliance with Hungary; is it better we have enemies on all sides?So that Russia will have a free hand in the Khanates(and with the khanates, what is to stop them from turning west, towards us?)We MUST disable them, and soon. For every day they grow in stature, and word has it they think they are the defenders of the orthodox faith. I do not remember changing my name to Alexei and swearing fealty to them. Do any of my noble Orthodox brethren remember this? As it is, they are an affront to us, to our Commonwealth, and, in fact, to the Orthodox religon! They consider themselves the "Third Rome"? And what of the Metropolitan of Kiev? Has he no power? Is he not closer in mind and spirit to us than any damnable(pardon my language nobles, but this truly maddens me) Russian clergy? So I say, we strike at the Russian Heart, sack Moscow, and kill any fool Muscuvite who would stand against us.
If we allow them to grow too strong, thye might look upon the chance to gain a Baltic port, and look at both us and the Teutonic Order. We can not chance them only go for the Order.
And yes, my King, to strike at the Horde, it might be advisable, but I most humbly suggest that should we gain the friendship of Hungary, we strike at Russia immediately. Truly, united, we are a power to be reckoned with.
As always, I am your most humble servant,
Prince Roman Feliks Ostrogski
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An alliance with Hungary would undoubtly preclude an attack on the Duchy of Muscuv by drawing us into inevitable early war with Turkey.
An alliance with Hungary precludes a premptive strike upon the Duchy of Muscuv. They are mutually exclusive.
An alliance with Hungary precludes a premptive strike upon the Duchy of Muscuv. They are mutually exclusive.
Metropolitan's Letter to the Seym
The role of the state is to protect God's flock on earth. It would trouble me to see Poland and Lithuania at war with another Christian land, especially an Orthodox one, unless we were sorely provoked.
Though the claims of Moscow's Metropolitan to speak for the Orthodox in Kievan Rus' gall us, we follow our Lord Savior's example and urge our compatriots to turn the other cheek.
I add this counsel to the sage wisdom of the nobles Radziwill and Wisniowiecki. Perhaps it is wiser to contain Muscovy by taking the Alten Orda (Golden Horde). Not the least benefit is that we would free thousands of Orthodox souls from under the Muslim Yoke; a mission certain to find favor with the Lord.
No one can doubt our provocation. For the last two and a half years the main army of the Horde has been attacking deep into Poland [historically true] and has been only recently driven back by our God-given triumph in arms.
Pray well in your deliberations my Lords, and may you find wisdom in our Lord, Jesus Christ. God Bless you all.
~ Semen Piotr
Metropolitan of Kiev and All Rus'
[ Ok, now I really have to be going on my vacation . . . have the monks packed my suitcase? right, then, off we go. I'll be back on Friday, the 27th]
The role of the state is to protect God's flock on earth. It would trouble me to see Poland and Lithuania at war with another Christian land, especially an Orthodox one, unless we were sorely provoked.
Though the claims of Moscow's Metropolitan to speak for the Orthodox in Kievan Rus' gall us, we follow our Lord Savior's example and urge our compatriots to turn the other cheek.
I add this counsel to the sage wisdom of the nobles Radziwill and Wisniowiecki. Perhaps it is wiser to contain Muscovy by taking the Alten Orda (Golden Horde). Not the least benefit is that we would free thousands of Orthodox souls from under the Muslim Yoke; a mission certain to find favor with the Lord.
No one can doubt our provocation. For the last two and a half years the main army of the Horde has been attacking deep into Poland [historically true] and has been only recently driven back by our God-given triumph in arms.
Pray well in your deliberations my Lords, and may you find wisdom in our Lord, Jesus Christ. God Bless you all.
~ Semen Piotr
Metropolitan of Kiev and All Rus'
[ Ok, now I really have to be going on my vacation . . . have the monks packed my suitcase? right, then, off we go. I'll be back on Friday, the 27th]
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My dear Ataman
I apologize for my words, especially the ones concerning possible assassination. If you want, you can attend the wedding as well.
Prince Mikolaj Radziwill
My dearest King
Even though i'm still not convinced about necessity of alliance with Hungary, i will not argue with your decision. If you can convince them to join, then i'll welcome them with open arms.
But i like your ideas about war with Russia. Freeing Novgorod and making them independent again is a noble thing to do, not to mention the fact that it will weaken Russia. But then we must include free Novgorod with our alliance as well.
Prince Mikolaj Radziwill
Even though i'm still not convinced about necessity of alliance with Hungary, i will not argue with your decision. If you can convince them to join, then i'll welcome them with open arms.
But i like your ideas about war with Russia. Freeing Novgorod and making them independent again is a noble thing to do, not to mention the fact that it will weaken Russia. But then we must include free Novgorod with our alliance as well.
Prince Mikolaj Radziwill
[How would we seperate them? Is Novorgrod even a revolter?]
Envoy Speaks:
My lord completely supports any attempt to weaken the Russian fools, and he is pleasantly surprised by your sound tactical mind by striking at the moslem heathens in an effort to cut them off, but remember this, those Russkies consider all that stretch of land their own and if we take it, we will never hear the end of there relentless wars against us.
I am not against such action, I am merely reminding what the consequences are.
My lord also proposes this further change in policy, to keep the Russian from a sea port. Without, this further humbles there trade and strength, I must ask you consider this.
Thank you.
Envoy Speaks:
My lord completely supports any attempt to weaken the Russian fools, and he is pleasantly surprised by your sound tactical mind by striking at the moslem heathens in an effort to cut them off, but remember this, those Russkies consider all that stretch of land their own and if we take it, we will never hear the end of there relentless wars against us.
I am not against such action, I am merely reminding what the consequences are.
My lord also proposes this further change in policy, to keep the Russian from a sea port. Without, this further humbles there trade and strength, I must ask you consider this.
Thank you.
The Cossack ppl agree with the oppinion of their Orthodox brother Feliks Ostrogski. Turkey is not of an immediate threat but Russia is. I suggest we cripple them in some way, taking Golden Horde can add to that.
On the Hungarian thing, if you all wish to have them in our alliance, so be it. It will be a smart move, but don't expect them to ally themselves with us easily
[OOC: Starting rel. between Poland & Hungar = -160]
I suggest we also send diplomats to Venice and Denmark. This will forge us a strong alliance against both Russians and Turks
Re: Metropolitan's Letter to the Seym
I understand the oppinion of my Orthodox Father and I salute thee. But being moderate will ultimately lead to our own destruction. We must not show signs of weakness. Taking lands from the Horde will make both Turkey and Russia clear that we are powerful. They will think twice before attacking them. Although Russia will probably get very P.O.
I understand the oppinion of my Orthodox Father and I salute thee. But being moderate will ultimately lead to our own destruction. We must not show signs of weakness. Taking lands from the Horde will make both Turkey and Russia clear that we are powerful. They will think twice before attacking them. Although Russia will probably get very P.O.
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I happily accept the invitation... It won't be overwhelmed with joy if I see the couple enter the church, but I, as well as the nobles, will salute and honour the wedding. If a noble man like you, who has done a lot for our country, makes such a decision, it is up to me to honour it.
Consider me moderate from now on on such issues
Although I still hate the faith you're following. But that may not get into ways of internal politics.
Now let's shut up about politics on the wedding, like mister Ostrogscy said. Let's drink & celebrate!
It will not matter noble mister Lubomirscy. It will not matter.
It is as you said, the Muscovites do consider that land theirs, and sure it will lead us into many a war. But if we don't take it we will also get into many wars. Their are stretches of land in the north of our country that the Russians also consider theirs
[OOC: Russian CB in northern provinces]
If we can get to the Horde and take them out this will damage Russia for years to come. They will be flabargasted.
[OOC: Exploit AI: take horde and Russia will sit on its ass mainly]
You Prymas does not council on external wars,
He is more concerned with internal unity. However, the Pope's opinion and the King's opinion both he is weighing. It seems that easy reconcilliation between the faiths was never possible, but the metropolite's absence from the imminent wedding is an extra burden.
It is clear, however, that several events will probably transpire in the future. These are:
1. Attack on the Golden Horde
2. Political overtures to Hungary
3. Political association with pommerania and the hanseatic league
4. Liberation of Novgorod, possibly of other states in an effort to weaken the Rus's alliance near P-L (Teutons, Pskov, etc.)
Your Prymas councils only one thing: None of these will go forward if there is internal strife. Since both he and his good friend the King are getting on in age, he suggests establishing a 5 or 10 year plan in the upcoming Diet, where all these points will be given a place on the agenda of action PL will take in the future. Thus, it is guaranteed that all desired events will come to pass to a certain extent.
Furthermore, it is the opinion of the Prymas that it may be wise for all nobles, and the Cossack, and both Churches, to set aside a part of their budget for the benefit of the king's armies, so that opportunities may be seized without resolutions of the Diet. These 'united armies' may then only be used for external conflicts and any benefits from them will fall on those who invested funds in the king's strength.
Prymas.
He is more concerned with internal unity. However, the Pope's opinion and the King's opinion both he is weighing. It seems that easy reconcilliation between the faiths was never possible, but the metropolite's absence from the imminent wedding is an extra burden.
It is clear, however, that several events will probably transpire in the future. These are:
1. Attack on the Golden Horde
2. Political overtures to Hungary
3. Political association with pommerania and the hanseatic league
4. Liberation of Novgorod, possibly of other states in an effort to weaken the Rus's alliance near P-L (Teutons, Pskov, etc.)
Your Prymas councils only one thing: None of these will go forward if there is internal strife. Since both he and his good friend the King are getting on in age, he suggests establishing a 5 or 10 year plan in the upcoming Diet, where all these points will be given a place on the agenda of action PL will take in the future. Thus, it is guaranteed that all desired events will come to pass to a certain extent.
Furthermore, it is the opinion of the Prymas that it may be wise for all nobles, and the Cossack, and both Churches, to set aside a part of their budget for the benefit of the king's armies, so that opportunities may be seized without resolutions of the Diet. These 'united armies' may then only be used for external conflicts and any benefits from them will fall on those who invested funds in the king's strength.
Prymas.
I like the ideas... Of course internal force is important. I count on the intelligence of all nobles to unite us all. We will only stand and survice when we come one.
I don't know about the united armies... I want oppinions of other nobles.
As said I want the Great Hetman of the Crown title. Maybe I'll suppor the idea then. The reasons why I want the title, I have stated in a previous letter