Common Sense Problems

[ThePatriotOfDreumel]

1. The "One night in Paris" achievement. I think it will be way too easy in the next patch. its litterally: beat France in a war and take Paris. IMO it should be Paris and surrounding provinces. Why this? because its exactly the same as "PU france in HYW and Integrate" or "Take the surrounding lands and conquer Paris.

2. Hordes. I think that Horde government types shouldn't be able to increase development. if they reform they should be able to with an discount to development cost to recover the years of development lost.

3. NI: Give Unique NI to: the Dutch minors(NI in a group like Germany), the French minors and Serbia

 

[BFTeixeira]

1. Do you have to core it to trigger the achievement? If you do, you have to take more provinces then Paris, otherwise you won't be able to core it.

2. Interesting idea.

3. No opinion.

 

[Gaussia]

Agree on 2, it is a good idea. No real opinion on the other two.

 

[ThePatriotOfDreumel]

1. Do you have to core it to trigger the achievement? If you do, you have to take more provinces then Paris, otherwise you won't be able to core it.

i don't think you need to core it.

 

[Me_]

I think it's a bit early to call 3. a problem given how we know nothing about possible new NI.

 

[ThePatriotOfDreumel]

I think it's a bit early to call 3. a problem given how we know nothing about possible new NI.

it was more because of the new development cost and to see if there are nations that get it

 

[TheMeInTeam]

1. The "One night in Paris" achievement. I think it will be way too easy in the next patch. its litterally: beat France in a war and take Paris. IMO it should be Paris and surrounding provinces. Why this? because its exactly the same as "PU france in HYW and Integrate" or "Take the surrounding lands and conquer Paris.

2. Hordes. I think that Horde government types shouldn't be able to increase development. if they reform they should be able to with an discount to development cost to recover the years of development lost.

3. NI: Give Unique NI to: the Dutch minors(NI in a group like Germany), the French minors and Serbia

1. The achievement isn't particularly difficult now. What's the difference if it's a bit easier? Conquering France with a western superpower is one of the easiest ways to do it.

2. Not much to say about ahistorically biased jokes. We don't need even more threads debunking this travesty and misnomer of what even constitutes a "horde".

3. I'd imagine we will be getting quite a few new NI.

 

[plankicorn]

1. No opinion.
2. I agree with the post above mine.
3. No more French minors since France starts consolidated, and Serbia already has unique national ideas.

 

[War_lord]

Lorraine needs ideas though. I imagine they're in the pipeline though, now's the best time for Paradox to fill in the blanks in the National Ideas system.

 

[Denkt]

Hordes don't need nerfs.

 

[Gaussia]

No, but if you add this nerf you might buff them in some other way to even out.

 

[Duke of Britain]

1. The achievement isn't particularly difficult now. What's the difference if it's a bit easier? Conquering France with a western superpower is one of the easiest ways to do it.

2. Not much to say about ahistorically biased jokes. We don't need even more threads debunking this travesty and misnomer of what even constitutes a "horde".

3. I'd imagine we will be getting quite a few new NI.

This.

Especially for #2. That suggestion is absolutely unecessary and is just another case of "hurr, mongol undeveloped savages living in tents and with no technology".

The achievement could be changed to "PU France" or "Win the HYW", I'll give you that.

 

[Freudia]

No, but if you add this nerf you might buff them in some other way to even out.

Contrary to popular belief, hordes actually had established towns, developments, and other such things.

I would advise against arbitrarily locking out a game mechanic from hordes just on the premise that there's a false ideology that all hordes did was wander around and live in tents.

 

[ThePatriotOfDreumel]

Contrary to popular belief, hordes actually had established towns, developments, and other such things.

I would advise against arbitrarily locking out a game mechanic from hordes just on the premise that there's a false ideology that all hordes did was wander around and live in tents.

Maybe make it that they can only develop their capital until they reform? And if they reform they get an 25 year -20% modifier to development cost?

 

[Krajzen]

Maybe make it that they can only develop their capital until they reform? And if they reform they get an 25 year -20% modifier to development cost?

Why mess with that thing if it isn't justified neither for historical nor gameplay reasons?

 

[ThePatriotOfDreumel]

Why mess with that thing if it isn't justified neither for historical nor gameplay reasons?

To keep the "Horde" feeling in the hordes.

 

[War_lord]

To keep the "Horde" feeling in the hordes.

What "Horde" feeling? The Hordes were as developed as the societies that surrounded them, they weren't the hopelessly backward savages they're portrayed as.

 

[Krajzen]

To keep the "Horde" feeling in the hordes.

'Let's introduce unjustified frustrating limitation based on untrue and a bit insulting stereotype so Western players can have Horde feeling while playing Orcs, I mean Mongolians'

 

[Lemont Elwood]

It makes sense, to me, to have Hordes have some Development penalties. It's just a fact that sedentary societies are able to support larger populations than nomadic ones. However, Hordes NEED more units!

 

[War_lord]

It makes sense, to me, to have Hordes have some Development penalties. It's just a fact that sedentary societies are able to support larger populations than nomadic ones. However, Hordes NEED more units!

The Khanates had major population centers you know. Samarkand, Tabriz, old and new Sarai, Yingchang, Shangdu, Karakorum and so on. The idea of the Hordes of 1444 as a massive party of brutal nomads looting and slaughtering before vanishing back into the Steppes is at best 1034 years out of date and at worst a stereotype.